woodenhead Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 So I have this Ebay cache burning a hole in my pocket and up pops this little gem. Do I really want to do O gauge - An A1x and one of these, little exchange sidings scenario........ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Chris I forgot to ask – what size axles will the Minerva model be using? Will the wheels be turn-able or will they need to be replaced for Scale7? Not a problem either way – I'm just trying to plan ahead. A long way ahead. Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81A Oldoak Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Chris I forgot to ask – what size axles will the Minerva model be using? Will the wheels be turn-able or will they need to be replaced for Scale7? Not a problem either way – I'm just trying to plan ahead. A long way ahead. Richard Richard, The axle diameter is 4.05mm, which is the standard driving axle for Minerva's locos. The axles are mounted in slotted circular bearings with outer diameters of 5.98mm and 6.97mm. The wheels will have a metal tyre mounted on a moulded hub, spokes and rim so turning down the thickness of the wheel may be problematic. I hope this helps, Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Star Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 We are specifying clearances to accommodate the wider S7 wheel spacing. Stand by for news on this and other channels. Thank you Chris, please advise details as soon as you feel able so that I can cover the news in the next S7 Newsletter, due mid May or thereabouts. regards, Graham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Star Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 The axle diameter is 4.05mm, which is the standard driving axle for Minerva's locos. The axles are mounted in slotted circular bearings with outer diameters of 5.98mm and 6.97mm. The wheels will have a metal tyre mounted on a moulded hub, spokes and rim so turning down the thickness of the wheel may be problematic. What is key here is the method by which wheels are secured to the axles. Providing longer axles is not a problem, getting wheels to rotate without wobble after refitting is a potential troubel spot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81A Oldoak Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Thank you Chris, please advise details as soon as you feel able so that I can cover the news in the next S7 Newsletter, due mid May or thereabouts. regards, Graham Will do Grahame. We have asked the designer to try to accommodate S7 dimensions, especially in the splashers. I will advise when we see the next iteration of the CAD drawing. Regards, Chris 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 It's nice to see that you've gone back to your industrial roots, Chris, and have chosen another prototype from the World's greatest locomotive-building city. It's been a long time since I bought anything for my O gauge layout but, hey, it's a Manning Wardle! I will probably have one but I'll have to get the P.W. gang out to sort the curve outside the shed before I can run it but then at least I'll be at last able to run my Ixion Hudswell Clarke too. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Thank you Chris, please advise details as soon as you feel able so that I can cover the news in the next S7 Newsletter, due mid May or thereabouts. regards, Graham I should point out that mid-May is the date for distribution to members. I need all copy by the 3rd week in April at the latest! No pressure... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted March 21, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2018 If so many members want S7 examples of these loco's would it be possible to talk to Minerva and see if we can order a special S7 batch. What numbers would they consider it to be economical viable to make a separate set of wheels for this to happen. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 If so many members want S7 examples of these loco's would it be possible to talk to Minerva and see if we can order a special S7 batch. What numbers would they consider it to be economical viable to make a separate set of wheels for this to happen. Excellent idea Mike. If Little Loco Co can do it... If Chris was willing to entertain the idea I could ask the members through the Newsletter to put their hands up – preferably while holding their cheque books! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) Are there going to be alternative smokebox doors, or will the model be made in such a way that it can be easily altered by the buyer, such as the door being removable so that a replacement flap type smokebox front and door can be made and fitted? http://www.rtmodels.co.uk/4mm%20scale%20manning%20wardle%20class%20k%20loco%20kit.jpg Edited March 21, 2018 by Ruston Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81A Oldoak Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 If so many members want S7 examples of these loco's would it be possible to talk to Minerva and see if we can order a special S7 batch. What numbers would they consider it to be economical viable to make a separate set of wheels for this to happen. A member of the S7 society has already contacted us privately and we have given a very rough indication of the base cost for the additional tooling that would be necessary. Obviously, we are not going to discuss costs on an open forum such as this as that is a matter of commercial confidence or what other suppliers are promising. The key issue for us is the number of potential S7 sales set against the likely increased production cost. Are there going to be alternative smokebox doors, or will the model be made in such a way that it can be easily altered by the buyer, such as the door being removable so that a replacement flap type somebox front and door can be made and fitted? http://www.rtmodels.co.uk/4mm%20scale%20manning%20wardle%20class%20k%20loco%20kit.jpg At this stage we are only planning to make the later circular door. However, it will be a separate part that will not be difficult to remove. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I'm looking forward to seeing more of the mockups. I suppose it wouldn't be that hard to convert it to the Cambrian version? Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Young Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I'm looking forward to seeing more of the mockups. I suppose it wouldn't be that hard to convert it to the Cambrian version? Marc Different smoke box door or different cab depending on which one you were after. Andrew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Star Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 A member of the S7 society has already contacted us privately and we have given a very rough indication of the base cost for the additional tooling that would be necessary. Obviously, we are not going to discuss costs on an open forum such as this as that is a matter of commercial confidence or what other suppliers are promising. The key issue for us is the number of potential S7 sales set against the likely increased production cost. Being the current Trade Liaison Officer for the S7 Group, I have been in contact with Chris Klein to develop the approach as outlined here. The S7 Group Committee is aware of the "exchanges" above and intends to try to firm up an estimate of likely interest in S7 wheels for the MInerva model. regards, Graham Beare 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesperus Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Just seen this, I think a blue one will have to find its way to Leintwardine. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Star Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Just seen this, I think a blue one will have to find its way to Leintwardine. As Hesperus or as Ringing Rock? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 This might be an opportunity for Minerva to break into the Japanese market: MW816 of 1882 - originally to Lucas & Aird, but somehow ended up as Japanese National Railways No 1292! Now on display in Japan's National Railway Museum: https://rlkitterman.deviantart.com/art/Nippon-Manning-Wardle-0-6-0-Zenko-484131620 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) My apologies to Graham, and Chris, if I rather jumped the gun. However, for my own private purposes, I am in the market for two K Class locos, preferably in blue, which will need to be converted to S7 – by whatever means is available. Chris, can you accept this as a firm reservation or should I send a separate email via your website? Richard Kelham Edited March 22, 2018 by wagonman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81A Oldoak Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 My apologies to Graham, and Chris, if I rather jumped the gun. However, for my own private purposes, I am in the market for two K Class locos, preferably in blue, which will need to be converted to S7 – by whatever means is available. Chris, can you accept this as a firm reservation or should I send a separate email via your website? Richard Kelham Richard, It is best to place your reservation using the form so that we can keep a proper track of orders. A copy is attached for your convenience. Regards, Chris Minerva Manning Wardle Order Form.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Star Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 My apologies to Graham, and Chris, if I rather jumped the gun. However, for my own private purposes, I am in the market for two K Class locos, preferably in blue, which will need to be converted to S7 – by whatever means is available. Chris, can you accept this as a firm reservation or should I send a separate email via your website? Richard, At the appropriate time, please ensure that you respond positively to a pending e-mail message from Rob Thompson ( which ought to be received by all S7 members at some point this weekend). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Richard, It is best to place your reservation using the form so that we can keep a proper track of orders. A copy is attached for your convenience. Regards, Chris Thanks Chris. I'll fill it in and post it tomorrow or Saturday. Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81A Oldoak Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Thanks Chris. I'll fill it in and post it tomorrow or Saturday. Richard Thanks Richard. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 For those who may be interested, here is a link to an article about Manning Wardles from the Colonel Stephens society: http://colonelstephenssociety.co.uk/locomotive%20notes%20topics/manning%20wardle%20locos.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Strikes me there might be an after market for sundry etched cabs, going off the photos on the Colonel Stephens site. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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