RMweb Premium Dava Posted March 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2018 Strikes me there might be an after market for sundry etched cabs, going off the photos on the Colonel Stephens site. I had already made that point! Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) I had already made that point! Dava And a very good point it was too - worth repeating Edited March 23, 2018 by Osgood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 We operated quite a few similar Manning Wardles in Australia. "Pioneer" (which had a few numbers, the last being X394 and 1001) was of a slightly earlier type (old "I class" perhaps?) from 1861 which had a much bigger tank and a locally-brewed cab. I reckon I might being able to make a good near-enough model using this as the basis. I have been working on a similar project with a Dapol A1 Terrier, but that project stalled because I am too busy with other things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigw Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 We operated quite a few similar Manning Wardles in Australia. "Pioneer" (which had a few numbers, the last being X394 and 1001) was of a slightly earlier type (old "I class" perhaps?) from 1861 which had a much bigger tank and a locally-brewed cab. I reckon I might being able to make a good near-enough model using this as the basis. I have been working on a similar project with a Dapol A1 Terrier, but that project stalled because I am too busy with other things. 292 and 293, the Manning-Wardles used on the Camden line, were K class locos - as one one used by South Bulli colliery. 29, 30 and 31 (Originally used on Richmond line) were I class. regards, Craig W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) Thanks Craig. After a little more digging I did manage to find an image of No. 292, built 1884So, If I manage to figure out the carriages in use at the time, I could do a 19th-century Camden Tram. KA Tramcar? Edited March 27, 2018 by hartleymartin 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81A Oldoak Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Thanks Craig. After a little more digging I did manage to find an image of No. 292, built 1884 So, If I manage to figure out the carriages in use at the time, I could do a 19th-century Camden Tram. KA Tramcar? Excellent photo. The chimney is much taller than the Minerva model, but this shows well the style of cab we will be supplying. Ours will not include the strapping visible on the front cab sheet as this varied and we think it would be easier to add rather than remove. It should be a straightforward job to trim the cab and remove the roof and rear sheets to leave just the large weatherboard. Regards, Chris 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Just a thought - is it possible to make the cab a separate part which can be clipped and unclipped off the locomotive, by means of a couple of locating tabs? This would make it a very simple proposition to then have aftermarket cabs, but also would make it much easier to add/remove cab interior detail. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81A Oldoak Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Just a thought - is it possible to make the cab a separate part which can be clipped and unclipped off the locomotive, by means of a couple of locating tabs? This would make it a very simple proposition to then have aftermarket cabs, but also would make it much easier to add/remove cab interior detail. Martin, Thank you for the suggestion. Like politics, designing a model locomotive is a blend of the art of the possible and compromise. The flare on the back of the bunker will make a robust clip-fit quite difficult to achieve so we have to resort to a glued butt-joint. However, based on the glue we currently use, I don't think it will be difficult to remove with causing damage. The front cab sheet may be a little more difficult because of rods and other accoutrements. We are also investigating a moulded break line under the roof cab-sheet to enable removal leaving in place only the large weatherboard as mounted on Sharpthorn. Regards, Chris 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) On the point of the cab strapping, I also believe that some had two support rods running from the top corners of the cab to somewhere on the firebox or even the rear top of the saddle tank similar to this arrangement. I cannot find any specific photos at the moment, but I do recall seeing it somewhere: Edited March 29, 2018 by hartleymartin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Assuming this is a K class, this would seem to be a fairly straight-forward conversion cab project:http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/smjsa175.htm 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium airnimal Posted March 29, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 29, 2018 I am all most sure that this is a old I class. I am a long way from home so cannot check my lists of Manning Wardle loco's so cannot be 100% positive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted March 29, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 29, 2018 This might be an opportunity for Minerva to break into the Japanese market: MW816 of 1882 - originally to Lucas & Aird, but somehow ended up as Japanese National Railways No 1292! Now on display in Japan's National Railway Museum: https://rlkitterman.deviantart.com/art/Nippon-Manning-Wardle-0-6-0-Zenko-484131620 That's some groovy pipework on that one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 My only other specific request to the manufacturers is to design it so that it is easy to disassemble. One of my first "serious" painting projects was on the Ixion Hudswell Clarke, and I very much liked the fact that it was very easy to pull apart for a custom paint-job. Almost every RTR item that I purchase gets very quickly pulled to pieces and customised in some manner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted March 29, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 29, 2018 My only other specific request to the manufacturers is to design it so that it is easy to disassemble. One of my first "serious" painting projects was on the Ixion Hudswell Clarke, and I very much liked the fact that it was very easy to pull apart for a custom paint-job. Almost every RTR item that I purchase gets very quickly pulled to pieces and customised in some manner. Have you posted any photos of your repainted Hudswell Clarke on here, please, Martin? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 I am all most sure that this is a old I class. I am a long way from home so cannot check my lists of Manning Wardle loco's so cannot be 100% positive. Agreed - looks like an 'Old I' from the uneven wheelbase - centre axle set further back then the K. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Isambarduk Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Have you posted any photos of your repainted Hudswell Clarke on here, please, Martin? I know that you didn't actually ask me but ... OK, I might have done a little bit more than paint it (see: www.davidlosmith.co.uk/GCR_Humber.htm) David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Is this basically the same loco as Ringing Rock on the Selsey Tramway and the MW on the Brill line? How many K variants were there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgood Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 (edited) Brill Tramway - Huddersfield (s/h ex T Walker Contractor) and Earl Temple (new from MW, later renamed Brill No1) were both K Class. Selsey line - Ringing Rock was K Class too - full history on http://colonelstephenssociety.co.uk/locomotive%20notes%20topics/manning%20wardle%20locos.html 254 K Class were made, the very last one was in fact built twice so accounts for 2 of them - first in 1891 and then rebuilt as a new K in 1914! Around 60 with detail differences but fundamentally the same. Edited March 31, 2018 by Osgood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) Have you posted any photos of your repainted Hudswell Clarke on here, please, Martin? I think so, but I am not sure where I hosted the photos. Hopefully we're not getting too far off the topic of the Manning Wardle K class, but I do intend to do a custom paint job not dissimilar to what I did with the Hudswell Clarke: Lord Hartley is pondering another locomotive purchase for his estate railway: Edited April 1, 2018 by hartleymartin 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81A Oldoak Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 I am thinking about a late 1920s/early 1930s light railway theme as a suitable stage for a Minerva Manning Wardle or two to run alongside PALMERSTON, one of my Ixion Hudswell Clarkes seen here in need of some gentle weatering on Cwm Bach. An exchange facility with the GWR would also allow a Minerva 57XX 0-6-0PT to appear from time to time. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 It is great for me as I am currently building a line based on the proposed East Wittering extension of the Selsey line. Who would have thought we would ever have two Selsey engines in rtr (albeit requiring a few alterations to match the prototypes)? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted April 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 2, 2018 The more outrageously improbable the light railway, the better, in my books! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 The more outrageously improbable the light railway, the better, in my books! I like your way of thinking, sir! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81A Oldoak Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 It is great for me as I am currently building a line based on the proposed East Wittering extension of the Selsey line. Who would have thought we would ever have two Selsey engines in rtr (albeit requiring a few alterations to match the prototypes)? As the inimitable Jeeves might have said, "We aim to give satisfaction, sir." 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartleymartin Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 This is the picture I was thinking of when I mentioned the two stays on the front of the cab. Not sure if it is a class K though. https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Recent-uploads-and-queries/Recent-uploads-other-material/i-v6jwWkp/A 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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