RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted December 19, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2018 It's been a bit warmer in the shed this week so more progress with cork laying on the baseboards - this is the first layout of mine with cork underlay, all the others have had track glued direct to the boards. Experience with Carlisle has led to this change of opinion. WP_20181219_16_27_51_Pro.jpg WP_20181219_17_13_00_Pro.jpg Not enough weights to do more than a few pieces at one time but my very heavy toolbox proved useful for this job. Good to see the steel weights back in play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicktoix Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Good to see the steel weights back in play. And the toolbox doesn't get any lighter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted December 20, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2018 And the toolbox doesn't get any lighter , or smaller, and in my case, doesn't stay singular in number! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpDistant Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Michael What thickness of plywood are you using for your framing and track bed? Any reason why, given the open framework, you haven't used the "Barry Norman sandwich beam" approach and have gone for a single thickness? John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted December 22, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 22, 2018 It's 9mm plywood, open frame because there's not much track on it compared with my usual layout designs - and I haven't built them myself anyway. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted December 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2018 This layout is going to need a lot of wagons, coal for the carrying of... Have we got enough? Baz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted December 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2018 This layout is going to need a lot of wagons, coal for the carrying of... Have we got enough? Baz You never have enough wagons... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted December 23, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 23, 2018 This layout is going to need a lot of wagons, coal for the carrying of... Have we got enough? Baz Lots of Merry Go Rounds too, or have I misinterpreted the era?!! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted December 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2018 Wrong era... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted December 23, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2018 Definitely wrong era (at the moment anyway...) More progress yesterday, with all the cork laid the trackplan needs to be transferred to the baseboards. Ignoring the 65mm step for the moment, track drawing starts at the top of the hill inside Silkstone No.2 tunnel. The 39" radius on the inner track is a bit sharper than I would like but is a lot gentler than the sharpest curves on previous layouts. The drawings I gave to Ken for the boards marked all the point motor positions but didn't think to mention underbridges and with unerring accuracy he managed to put this baseboard support slap in the middle of Moorend Lane. It shouldn't be too difficult to move though, as far as I remember these intermediate supports are only screwd and not glued. The next baseboard joint needs to have the tracks crossing exactly at right angles to allow for possible later (exhibition only) extension. Templot printout carefully positioned and securely weighted down while all the plain tracks are drawn to join up with it. No need to draw all the junctions on the boards as the pointwork will be built in two big chunks. At the other end, using carbon paper to transfer the rail positions. I had to split the whole drawing and move this end 40mm along to avoid a conflict between pointwork and baseboard joints but it won't make a lot of difference. There aren't very many buildings on this layout, it's mostly green fields but the biggest one is Strafford sub station, outlined here. This was built on part of the site of Strafford colliery, the siding from the junction was the last remaining bit of track from it and as can be seen I've had to shorten it a bit. On my last visit to the location I noticed that some of the concrete pillars of this building were still visible on the ground which might be some help. I still only have couple of poor photos of the sub station and only from the railway side but at least that will be the visible one. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted December 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2018 Definitely wrong era (at the moment anyway...) More progress yesterday, with all the cork laid the trackplan needs to be transferred to the baseboards. WP_20181222_10_47_17_Pro.jpg Ignoring the 65mm step for the moment, track drawing starts at the top of the hill inside Silkstone No.2 tunnel. The 39" radius on the inner track is a bit sharper than I would like but is a lot gentler than the sharpest curves on previous layouts. WP_20181222_11_12_11_Pro.jpg The drawings I gave to Ken for the boards marked all the point motor positions but didn't think to mention underbridges and with unerring accuracy he managed to put this baseboard support slap in the middle of Moorend Lane. It shouldn't be too difficult to move though, as far as I remember these intermediate supports are only screwd and not glued. WP_20181222_11_54_23_Pro.jpg The next baseboard joint needs to have the tracks crossing exactly at right angles to allow for possible later (exhibition only) extension. WP_20181222_12_05_37_Pro.jpg Templot printout carefully positioned and securely weighted down while all the plain tracks are drawn to join up with it. No need to draw all the junctions on the boards as the pointwork will be built in two big chunks. WP_20181222_12_25_14_Pro.jpg At the other end, using carbon paper to transfer the rail positions. I had to split the whole drawing and move this end 40mm along to avoid a conflict between pointwork and baseboard joints but it won't make a lot of difference. WP_20181222_13_39_08_Pro.jpg There aren't very many buildings on this layout, it's mostly green fields but the biggest one is Strafford sub station, outlined here. This was built on part of the site of Strafford colliery, the siding from the junction was the last remaining bit of track from it and as can be seen I've had to shorten it a bit. On my last visit to the location I noticed that some of the concrete pillars of this building were still visible on the ground which might be some help. I still only have couple of poor photos of the sub station and only from the railway side but at least that will be the visible one. Mike, are you reinforcing the cork at the baseboards joints? I'd recommend cutting back say an inch and putting 3 mm ply in its place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted December 23, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2018 I don't think it will be a problem once it's all ballasted and soaked in pva glue (written with fingers crossed...). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted December 23, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2018 I don't think it will be a problem once it's all ballasted and soaked in pva glue (written with fingers crossed...). Hmm... Hope you're right. At the very least I'd seal the exposed edge of the cork with Evo-Stik (other impact adhesives are available). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John76 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Mike Re Strafford Sub Station. If you fancy a bike ride and a walk through the woods, can I suggest you go and have a look at the old Wharncliffe Wood Sub Station? It's still there! It's a bit of a trek off the main path through the wood but the main building is there along with all the stands outside for the transformers and switchgear. I went a few years ago, took a load of photos and measured it up but I'm not sure where they are at the moment. I've got a feeling the sub station at Strafford was bigger than the one at Wharncliffe Wood but it would certainly be a good starting point. Also, maybe not relevant to your current layout but if you are interested the Track Section Cabin still exists further down the line at Beeley Wood. It's a little bit easier to get to and makes for a decent walk for a couple of hours. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted December 24, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2018 Thanks, I didn't know that one was still there. In the few photos I have most of the sub stations look similar in style at least. The bike doesn't go off road at this time of year but a walk might be a good idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John76 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I have found my photos of Wharncliffe. It was 2012 when I was there! A few attached for you to see. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted December 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2018 If you think I am going to weather these on Wentworth Junction to be the same.....forget it!! Baz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bri.s Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 That substation looks very similar to the one that was at aldham junction Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted December 24, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2018 I've just searched on various maps etc. but can't figure out exactly where this is - can one of you give me a map reference for it? Which side of the line is it on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted December 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2018 I would imagine all the substations were built from common components as the work was done at the same time, eg concrete panels the same dimensions, so if one can be measured up could that form the basis of a calculation as to the size of others? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John76 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Mike Give me a day or two and I’ll get back to you. Took me a while to work it out. As a start, take a look on the Old-Maps website and compare it to more recent OS Maps and Google Earth. I’m pretty certain it was shown on the old 1950ish maps. The current sea of green on Google earth does make finding it a challenge. John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bri.s Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) I think this may be it There’s definitely something hiding in undergrowth I think I’ve stuck a pin in the building Google Earth Link Sorry link didn’t work for some reason so screen shot area Brian Edited December 25, 2018 by Bri.s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John76 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 I think this may be it There’s definitely something hiding in undergrowth I think I’ve stuck a pin in the building Google Earth Link Sorry link didn’t work for some reason so screen shot area 07DB97D9-4D54-444A-91E6-D154B3C8713F.png E6AE4DAD-44BE-408B-A630-39F952D8F46A.png Brian Your in the right ball park. Here is where I think it is. Pin dropped on switchgear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted December 25, 2018 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 25, 2018 Got it now, thanks. Might be an idea for the traditional Boxing Day walk. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John76 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Have a look at these taken from the 1:2500 scale OS Maps from the 1950s. Not all substations are the same! As you can see, they are all different and the ones at Barnsley Junction and Strafford are larger than the one at Wharncliffe Wood. I seem to recall they were bigger because these substations had additional switchgear for the regenerative braking associated with the 1 in 40 Wentworth incline. Aldham Junction Sub station also had a larger footprint. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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