Heljan announce re-tooled Class 86 in OO

[97406]

37 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said:

https://www.fox-transfers.co.uk/transfers/nse-lining-chevrons-for-class-47-50-locos

https://www.fox-transfers.co.uk/transfers/nse-loco-logos-numbering

I know the item says 47 & 50 for the stripes, but 86401 shared this & it is on the other transfer sheet which covers both.

You, sir are a star!

[Matt]

11 hours ago, 47606odin said:

Got 3 now. I like them. Now if only I could get in to fit a chip

 

Having initially found getting in easy, I have more recently encountered a very tight example. I did get in in the end but managed to mangle the underframe components in the process. What I found though which might help:

use a jewellers screwdriver in the slots as shown to bow the body out enough to insert a cocktail stick at about same location - push this so that stick is around an inch into the loco

repeat at 3 other cutouts

if you’re lucky body will just slide off - if you have a tight un then place to grab Is buffer beam fairing and gradually ease out from one end

do not try pulling any of under frame boxes as they come straight off

M

[97406]

Watch out for the compressor shelves. They are extremely fragile, and I’ve had to replace mine on a couple of models (the 86/3 from an old Hornby underframe and the 86/1 from a 3D print). If any of the other chassis boxes come off, reattach with epoxy rather than superglue.

 

3D prints are available on Shapeways https://www.shapeways.com/product/7SX4KWHEF/1-76-class-86-underframe-with-one-compressor

 

Edited April 21, 2022 by 97406

[47606odin]

1 hour ago, 97406 said:

Watch out for the compressor shelves. They are extremely fragile, and I’ve had to replace mine on a couple of models (the 86/3 from an old Hornby underframe and the 86/1 from a 3D print). If any of the other chassis boxes come off, reattach with epoxy rather than superglue.

 

3D prints are available on Shapeways https://www.shapeways.com/product/7SX4KWHEF/1-76-class-86-underframe-with-one-compressor

 

the one on 426 isn’t fitted properly anyway lol.

[97406]

7 minutes ago, 47606odin said:

the one on 426 isn’t fitted properly anyway lol.

I think they use superglue, but the thin coat of black lacquer over the mazak chassis block often comes away as it hasn’t keyed in properly. Easy enough to resolve in most cases with the aforementioned epoxy.

[47606odin]

54 minutes ago, 97406 said:

I think they use superglue, but the thin coat of black lacquer over the mazak chassis block often comes away as it hasn’t keyed in properly. Easy enough to resolve in most cases with the aforementioned epoxy.

it hasn’t even been put in the holes.

[Pete the Elaner]

Has anyone got a nice close-up of the BW pan? How does it compare with that on Bachmann's 90 & does it seem robust enough to run in contact with OLE?

[97406]

40 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said:

Has anyone got a nice close-up of the BW pan? How does it compare with that on Bachmann's 90 & does it seem robust enough to run in contact with OLE?

Closeish-up. The Bachmann one is finer and lighter sprung. The top section is rigid, so just sits on the catenary nicely horizontally. The Heljan one is good, though. It needs a lighter spring, and the top section fixing in place with a little blob of superglue so it too is horizontal with the pan head on the catenary. I have 2 spare Heljan BW pans on order from Gaugemaster to replace the atrociously fragile Hornby 87 ones!

Edited May 6, 2022 by 97406

[Pete the Elaner]

8 minutes ago, 97406 said:

Closeish-up. The Bachmann one is finer and lighter sprung. The top section is rigid, so just sits on the catenary nicely horizontally. The Heljan one is good, though. It needs a lighter spring, and the top section fixing in place with a little blob of superglue so it too is horizontal with the pan head on the catenary. I have 2 spare Heljan BW pans on order from Gaugemaster to replace the atrociously fragile Hornby 87 ones!

 

That is helpful thanks. I was interested for the same reason as you: to replace the flimsy plastic offerings on my Hornby 87s.

I also have a load of Hurst BW pans but they look very fiddly to build & I have no instructions for them.

[97406]

Not the best pic, @Pete the Elaner, but just took this

[Patriot87003]

10 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said:

 

That is helpful thanks. I was interested for the same reason as you: to replace the flimsy plastic offerings on my Hornby 87s.

I also have a load of Hurst BW pans but they look very fiddly to build & I have no instructions for them.

Further to 97406 info and pics … I’ve taken these of the Class 90 and the Heljan BW fitted 86 …

The Bachmann 90 BW pan in the lowered position …

As I’m on DC only, raised the pan and temporarily held in position with a screwdriver … 

The Heljan 86 BW pan …

Another view …

 

Hope these help

 

[Matt]

5 hours ago, Patriot87003 said:

Further to 97406 info and pics … I’ve taken these of the Class 90 and the Heljan BW fitted 86 …

The Bachmann 90 BW pan in the lowered position …

As I’m on DC only, raised the pan and temporarily held in position with a screwdriver … 

The Heljan 86 BW pan …

Another view …

 

Hope these help

 

am curious on the class 90 panto being in lowered position on non-DCC.  each of mine has arrived with the panto in raised position before DCC fitted (held down by catch but once released goes into up position and stayed there).  Its only once the DCC is installed that panto is lowered and raised.  Might be worth finding someone with DCC (and right class 90 chip) to raise panto for you and then leave there.  i would offer but i don't expect you're in the frozen north... :-)

[andyman7]

4 hours ago, Matt said:

am curious on the class 90 panto being in lowered position on non-DCC.  each of mine has arrived with the panto in raised position before DCC fitted (held down by catch but once released goes into up position and stayed there).  Its only once the DCC is installed that panto is lowered and raised.  Might be worth finding someone with DCC (and right class 90 chip) to raise panto for you and then leave there.  i would offer but i don't expect you're in the frozen north... :-)

Yes, when not DCC fitted the Bachmann class 90 panto should by default be 'raised', it can be clipped in the lowered position. If it is lowered in DCC mode and then the decoder removed/blanking plate is fitted, it ends up permanently down

[TRAILRAGE]

On 06/05/2022 at 13:31, Pete the Elaner said:

 

That is helpful thanks. I was interested for the same reason as you: to replace the flimsy plastic offerings on my Hornby 87s.

I also have a load of Hurst BW pans but they look very fiddly to build & I have no instructions for them.

Hello Pete. I'll see if I can dig out my Hurst Class 86-90 Base instruction sheets and get them scanned. I can then send you an electronic copy if you Like.

 

Regards Trailrage 

[Pete the Elaner]

4 hours ago, TRAILRAGE said:

Hello Pete. I'll see if I can dig out my Hurst Class 86-90 Base instruction sheets and get them scanned. I can then send you an electronic copy if you Like.

 

Regards Trailrage 

That would be great if you can thank you.

I did ask on this forum a few weeks ago but threads disappear from view so fast that I guess those who may have been able to help didn't see it.

[kevpeo]

Just be aware Pete that the Hurst pans as supplied are designed to work with 'continuous' electrification, ie, the whole circuit needs to have overhead wires. If you want to use 'ramps' for hidden storage area's, you need to modify them with 'height limiters' to stop them raising too far. Oh, and be prepared to break a lot of drills in preparing the castings! hth, Kev.

[TRAILRAGE]

20 hours ago, Pete the Elaner said:

That would be great if you can thank you.

I did ask on this forum a few weeks ago but threads disappear from view so fast that I guess those who may have been able to help didn't see it.

Hello Pete.

 

PM Sent.

 

Cheers Trailrage

[TRAILRAGE]

Dug out my first attempt at the Hurst BW Pan. I stopped when I realised the stabilising arm was either lost or Missing. Made a start on making a new one but for whatever reason, I never finished it.. Will have to replace the Fishing line used between the lower and upper arms as it seems to have stretched. If only I could get my Modelling head back as I seemed to have put it somewhere "safe" and forgotten where that is! The Body is an old unnumbered Hornby original InterCity liveried models that was done initially as 86434. When the Motor died  I fitted a Lima 87 Chassis to it (since reused elsewhere due to a lima Motor going pop) to do a model of 86102 as I had taken a Photo of it at Stratford of all places on a TPO Train when it was routed as to turn the train so the coaches were correctly orientated. It was the last time I can Recall seeing an 86/1 in that condition so I new I had to Model It. One day it will get done but this time I will make use of Hornby 86 Bufferbeams cut from the Chassis and glued to the Body and Hornby 86 and Lima 87 underframe components all separately cut out and Mounted on a False Floor but will use Hornby Class 90 Bogie Mounts cut from a spare Chassis and the modern Can Motor Bogie and Trailing Bogie.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 14, 2022 by TRAILRAGE

[TRAILRAGE]

I still only have the one Heljan 86 and its a First Gen Model picked up Second Hand from Howes for £50. I should have bought the other 3 they had at the time. I really Like the look of the new Model but having 10 Hornby ones as well that will all get detailed up I'm not sure I can Justify the cost.  I know the Body has its issues but (and mins still got a few of the small bits missing) its such a lovely running Loco i decided to eave as is. Best thing I did was stick a Bachmann AMBR Pantograph on it using a spare Sommerfeldt stabilising Frame (also known as a Bike Frame though I'm not sure why) painted BR Coach Grey.  Mahoosivley improves it in my eyes. 

 

Cheers Trailrage

Edited May 13, 2022 by TRAILRAGE

[TRAILRAGE]

Few shots of one of my Hornby 86's Im slowly working on (as & when I get the Chance). Reworked as an 86/0. Liquid glazed the Headcode Box and needs some tidying up on tbe paint front. I have a Bachmann AMBR to fit to it as well. Undeframe has been competely rebuilt. 

 

All in all pretty happy so far. 

 

Cheers Trailrage

 

 

[ClikC]

My Hornbachjan 86/0 is in storage back in deepest darkest Devon, while I remain lodged in the grimmest part of 'up north'. But the Hornby 86 body still looks the part, not bad for a model 42 years old! Not sure what to do with it now I have a stable of 86/0's from Heljan.

 

I do wonder when Heljan might revisit the 86/2's, the one I bought had the roof transplanted into a Lima 87, which promptly caused Hornby to produce an updated 87.

 

Yes there is a recurring theme.

Edited May 14, 2022 by ClikC

[Pete the Elaner]

2 hours ago, ClikC said:

 

I do wonder when Heljan might revisit the 86/2's.

 

Hopefully after my bank account has recovered from the 86/4s & Bachmann's 90s I have bought recently.

I've a feeling I'm not alone! 😆

[47606odin]

13 hours ago, Pete the Elaner said:

 

Hopefully after my bank account has recovered from the 86/4s & Bachmann's 90s I have bought recently.

I've a feeling I'm not alone! 😆

i don’t do OO or AC modelling. So I have now 1 85, 3 86’s, 2 87’s, 4 90’s, 1 91, all bought in the last few months . so yes, you’re not alone. Also 2 92’s on order….

Edited May 15, 2022 by 47606odin

[60800]

Heads up for anyone wanting to model 86101, Bachmann's new spares website has class 90 sideframes for £10 a pair. 

 

Cheers,

  60800

[Patriot87003]

I’ve just seen that Heljan have announced a further four Class 86’s; three Class 86/0’s and a Class 86/4 in IC Mainline livery (86417 The Kingsman).

 

https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/n/199/Heljan-announce-new-Class-86-versions-in-00-gauge?fbclid=IwAR1tZuKK0Z1eJI0_9vA84FrVv8--cIJFSGz0IQZMuwzGsknaFVheO-vi9Qs

 

This is in addition to the recently announced Gaugemaster exclusive 86401 in NSE livery.