RMweb Premium it's-er Posted September 18, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2019 Yes indeed, please, to photos of the J27 engineering samples. They are to be shown at the Swansea Model Railway show this weekend 21-22 September, so if any of us are there, please take some photos and post them here! John Storey 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_sterling Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 On 21/04/2019 at 08:22, 30368 said: Many thanks Paul. Hi Richard, I'm hoping to get to Locomotion at some point over the first weekend of October, if I see someone from Shildon MRC or similar, I will ask about your friend. Thanks, Paul. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymzHatstand Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I'm just wondering if anyone got any photos of the samples at the weekend, or indeed if there are any official updates for those of us who couldn't make it. Cheers J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, JaymzHatstand said: I'm just wondering if anyone got any photos of the samples at the weekend, or indeed if there are any official updates for those of us who couldn't make it. Cheers J there were signs say no photos 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymzHatstand Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, mozzer models said: there were signs say no photos Fair enough, I dare say it's case of wait for the official snaps then. Ta very much! Cheers J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, mozzer models said: there were signs say no photos Whhhaaaaaaaat! I thought those days were over in the model railway world. (Did they ever begin?) Maybe they think they're a big cheese within the bigger picture of things? Surely they can't be worried about a couple of pictures appearing around the forums that might lead to a little constructive criticism? Maybe they just didn't like some un-decorated samples appearing that may be a little rough around the edges. (Or were they painted?). P 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymzHatstand Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I asked about official photos on their Facebook announcement of them being present at the show, and this is the response I got : 'As this is the first engineering samples there will be no photographs. The next sample will have the few corrections fixed.' So it looks as though thems who couldn't make it don't get to see how what we might want to purchase is coming along. Never mind! Cheers J 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, JaymzHatstand said: the few corrections fixed There's confidence for you. Marketing at it's best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted September 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2019 To be fair considering the usual response on here to the slightest anomaly on an early test shot I can understand where Oxford are coming from. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said: To be fair considering the usual response on here to the slightest anomaly on an early test shot I can understand where Oxford are coming from. You need broad shoulders to be in business. Surely if anybody from Oxford took offence to any criticisms they have the right to publicly respond. I'm sure they are more than capable of filtering out unjustified criticism's from the more helpful constructive comments. Trial by internet is a 21st century phenomenon that can be used to the advantage of of both manufacturer and consumer. As an end user I'd far rather the end product be correct rather than have a few silly mistakes included that could easily have been avoided but for the sake of publishing a few progress photographs. As I said above I admire Oxford rails confidence. P 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted September 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2019 Putting photos for a sea of experts (good or otherwise) is a great way of finding out issues with engineering samples. Once you've filtered out the "fake news" ones you can then instruct the factory, thank contributors and get good vibes for listening to their customers. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_sterling Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, JaymzHatstand said: I asked about official photos on their Facebook announcement of them being present at the show, and this is the response I got : 'As this is the first engineering samples there will be no photographs. The next sample will have the few corrections fixed.' So it looks as though thems who couldn't make it don't get to see how what we might want to purchase is coming along. Never mind! Cheers J It does surprise me that they aren't casting the (constructive) critique to a wider net than a single show. Granted, they've established (by themselves it appears) that some changes are needed, but I do wholeheartedly feel that giving the vast wealth of knowledge available in the community a chance to offer feedback on the 1st stage EP is a worthwhile gain against the inevitable media traffic that also comes with it. Yes not everything can be tooled, but Oxford know that, and can filter out the background noise of those points as such, getting to the nitty gritty of getting the detail right on a class which did have quite a lot of detail variances. They may well get it spot on (on their own), but history does generally show that the wider the net, the more info is available. The internet (and its users) is a powerful (free) tool if one is willing to filter the noise out. Paul. Edited September 24, 2019 by Paul_sterling 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Paul_sterling said: ...The internet (and its users) is a powerful (free) tool if one is willing to filter the noise out. Yes, it's the end of that sentence that's the rub. In the 'days before internet' it was expensive to obtain authentic end user feedback. And then the net became generally available, and what began as a trickle swiftly became a torrent. Of course for 99%+, the answer was RTFM, with a reference to the appropriate entries (and for the especially weak of thinking, AA!WYPRTFM). Still it was something to do on the laptop during another long flight, selecting appropriate replies and writing occasional new ones, to all the downloaded inputs worthy of a response. And every now and again, an informational jewel turned up. It was worth sifting through the dross for this. Whether OR have the resource to share out all our wailings and rantings among their people and sift out the good information would be the question. They don't have the resources of a global scale multinational with a legion of lounge lizards to hand... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 25, 2019 Putting it on display but not allowing pictures seems counter to the point of putting it on display at all, unless they are saving its bigger unveiling for greater impact at Warley... saving the surprise. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, D1051 said: Daft question .Will they be there ? Stand B08. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 25, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, D1051 said: Many thanks will make a note. Dont forget your secret spy cam, just incase ;-) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, D1051 said: A partial glimpse ... and gone forever. Those little teases have that hidden well away. Nice knobs. and by way of a comparison. P Edited September 26, 2019 by Porcy Mane 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 30368 Posted September 26, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 26, 2019 Looks fairly good but obviously we need to see more. Even though I am an LSWR/SR modeller I may still buy one. Remember seeing so many of them and Q6/7's on my visits to NER sheds in the mid 1960s. They were such powerful and seemingly reliable loco's. Kind regards, Richard B PS As a Founder Member of the P2 (that's the 2-8-2!) project I should pay another visit to Darlington. Good to know that some great engineering skills are still being practised in the birthplace of the railway. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 26, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 26, 2019 Was also present at the Swansea show last weekend - also a no photos sign in cabinet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Plenty photographs here. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, RBAGE said: Plenty photographs here. Ha! Burb. Ye little tinker. Reminds me of those old school photies; those where parents got their yung uns dressed up to the nines and those parents couldn't care a less. Summink like this. (Nice T short btw). P (taking the p). Edited September 26, 2019 by Porcy Mane 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Porcy Mane said: Ha! Burb. Ye little tinker. Reminds me of those old school photies; those where parents got their yung uns dressed up to the nines and those parents couldn't care a less. Summink like this. (Nice T short btw). P (taking the p). There would have been real J27s kicking about when young Bobby Bage was lining up at Middlestone Moor Junior Mixed. Happy days. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, RBAGE said: There would have been real J27s kicking about when young Bobby Bage was lining up at Middlestone Moor Junior Mixed. Happy days. Ahhhhh, for the days of Bri-Nylon shirts and blue asbestos school buildings. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durham light infantry Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Porcy Mane said: Ha! Burb. Ye little tinker. Reminds me of those old school photies; those where parents got their yung uns dressed up to the nines and those parents couldn't care a less. Summink like this. (Nice T short btw). P (taking the p). Part of me is reminiscening my 60's and 70's education. Corporation Road Nursery, and Harrowgate Hill Infants & Juniors. The other part of me (aged 55 & 1/3 rd) is risk assessing and writing the report and ordering the safety barriers. Mike 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 1 hour ago, durham light infantry said: The other part of me (aged 55 & 1/3 rd) is risk assessing and writing the report and ordering the safety barriers. Stick with the junior school playground mentality. You'll be happier but a little more bruised. P 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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