brianthesnail96 Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 My Dad used to drive "Alan George" on the Teifi Valley (before I came along and spoilt his fun- although it was still a regular feature of my childhood holidays!). Now I'm pretty disappointed that Bachmann aren't doing one in mid green with a very stylish airbrake pump tacked on the side of the smokebox, but I suppose given they've tooled a very accurate looking close relative in Nesta I can't really grumble too loudly. I shall certainly be buying one for him; it's just a question of whether I can resist buying one for me too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJ Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 @brianthesnail96I'm sure knowing Bachmann that if you wait long enough your preferred loco will be in the range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhydddu Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) Thought I'd share on here some research I have done about the prototypes that could be modelled using the announced models... would be very useful to know which Bachmann have planned before repainting a bunch of models! Dinorwic Alice class • Alice, (Bala Lake, no dome), red. RTR • Britomart (Ffestiniog). Blue. Cabbed RTR • Dorothea - (Launceston). Green lined. Cabbed RTR • King of the Scarlets (no dome). Statfold Barn. Unlined red. • Elidir (renamed from Red Damsel and cab added) (Llanberis Lake) red lined yellow. • Rough Pup unlined red (Tywyn NG museum), no dome. • Cloister (statfold, no dome). Red. • George B (Bala Lake). Originally called Wellington. Recently restored, no dome. Red. • Holy War (Bala Lake, cabbed (cabless pre preservation), no dome). Blue (2 different shades) recently and has been red. • Maid Marian (Bala Lake, no dome). Red. Now cabbed red with dome. • Irish Mail (West Lancs but rebuilt with cab, no dome). Red. • Velinheli (Launceston/Ffestiniog, dome). Red. • Sybil (Brecon Mountain, but now Richmond Light railway) red. Cabbed • Una (Gilfach Ddu slate museum). Lined Green like Dorothea. Also has been maroon. Cabbed • Thomas Bach blue with cab, no dome (Llanberis Lake) – was originally Wild Aster blue & cabless Penrhyn Small quarry class • Nesta (Rob Gambrill - repatriated recently). No cab. Lined black blue/red. RTR • Margaret (Vale of Rheidol), recently restored. Lined black with yellow/thin red. • Alan George (Teifi Valley) black with simple yellow lining. Once ran with cab, but no more. Penrhyn large quarry class. 10 inches longer, longer wheelbase, domed. Ignore length in 4mm scale/009? • Hugh Napier (National Trust c/o Ffestiniog). Same livery as Margaret black lined yellow. • Sybil Mary (Statfold). Penrhyn black with blue/red lining. • Bill Harvey ex George Sholto (Bressingham). Has had cab also none. Mid green lined red. • Edward Sholto (Beamish, stored). Once called Bill Harvey. Penrhyn lined blue/red. Later Port Dinorwic type - domed and with straight footplate, but higher boiler centreline. • Lady Joan (ex No.1) - Bredgar and Wormshill. cabbed. Red lined white. • Dolbadarn. Llanberis Lake. cabbed. Light green lined red/yellow. Has been yellow and red. • Michael (Statfold), cabbed. Red unlined. • Jack Lane (Statfold) new build - domed. design of Dinorwic Port class. Green lined yellow. • Statfold (Statfold) new build - cabbed, domed. Dinorwic Port class design. Red unlined. The following are much harder and are ignored… • Elin (Richmond Light Railway. Similar to nesta but with an unusual taller boiler (being rebuilt?) no cab. • Sextus/Lady Madcap (WHHR). domed. no cab. Broken up. No colour yet. Stepped footplate! • Dame Ann (Alabama) new build - built by exmoor for Launceston to an updated design. Cab in particular is different. • Bernstein/Jonathan - was at West Lancs. Unusual lime green. Deeper buffer beam than alice. • Covertcoat - Launceston. Cabbed and tender added. Scarlet red. Deeper buffer beam than alice class. • Gertrude (Statfold, sectioned LOL!) • and 3 in the larger Penrhyn Port class (have unusual nameplates too) - stepped footplate, domed, longer. o Gwynedd (Bressingham). black lined complex white. o Lilian (Launceston). Black lined Penrhyn blue/red – also with tender! o Winifred (Bala Lake). Black lined Penrhyn blue/red. Edited October 5, 2021 by rhydddu 3 2 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 (edited) On 05/10/2021 at 20:25, rhydddu said: Thought I'd share on here some research I have done about the prototypes that could be modelled using the announced models... would be very useful to know which Bachmann have planned before repainting a bunch of models! Dinorwic Alice class • Alice, (Bala Lake, no dome), red. RTR • Britomart (Ffestiniog). Blue. Cabbed RTR • Dorothea - (Launceston). Green lined. Cabbed RTR • King of the Scarlets (no dome). Statfold Barn. Unlined red. • Elidir (renamed from Red Damsel and cab added) (Llanberis Lake) red lined yellow. • Rough Pup unlined red (Tywyn NG museum), no dome. • Cloister (statfold, no dome). Red. • George B (Bala Lake). Originally called Wellington. Recently restored, no dome. Red. • Holy War (Bala Lake, cabbed (cabless pre preservation), no dome). Blue (2 different shades) recently and has been red. • Maid Marian (Bala Lake, no dome). Red. Now cabbed red with dome. • Irish Mail (West Lancs but rebuilt with cab, no dome). Red. • Velinheli (Launceston/Ffestiniog, dome). Red. • Sybil (Brecon Mountain, but now Richmond Light railway) red. Cabbed • Una (Gilfach Ddu slate museum). Lined Green like Dorothea. Also has been maroon. Cabbed • Thomas Bach blue with cab, no dome (Llanberis Lake) – was originally Wild Aster blue & cabless Penrhyn Small quarry class • Nesta (Rob Gambrill - repatriated recently). No cab. Lined black blue/red. RTR • Margaret (Vale of Rheidol), recently restored. Lined black with yellow/thin red. • Alan George (Teifi Valley) black with simple yellow lining. Once ran with cab, but no more. Penrhyn large quarry class. 10 inches longer, longer wheelbase, domed. Ignore length in 4mm scale/009? • Hugh Napier (National Trust c/o Ffestiniog). Same livery as Margaret black lined yellow. • Sybil Mary (Statfold). Penrhyn black with blue/red lining. • Bill Harvey ex George Sholto (Bressingham). Has had cab also none. Mid green lined red. • Edward Sholto (Beamish, stored). Once called Bill Harvey. Penrhyn lined blue/red. Later Port Dinorwic type - domed and with straight footplate, but higher boiler centreline. • Lady Joan (ex No.1) - Bredgar and Wormshill. cabbed. Red lined white. • Dolbadarn. Llanberis Lake. cabbed. Light green lined red/yellow. Has been yellow and red. • Michael (Statfold), cabbed. Red unlined. • Jack Lane (Statfold) new build - domed. design of Dinorwic Port class. Green lined yellow. • Statfold (Statfold) new build - cabbed, domed. Dinorwic Port class design. Red unlined. The following are much harder and are ignored… • Elin (Richmond Light Railway. Similar to nesta but with an unusual taller boiler (being rebuilt?) no cab. • Sextus/Lady Madcap (WHHR). domed. no cab. Broken up. No colour yet. Stepped footplate! • Dame Ann (Alabama) new build - built by exmoor for Launceston to an updated design. Cab in particular is different. • Bernstein/Jonathan - was at West Lancs. Unusual lime green. Deeper buffer beam than alice. • Covertcoat - Launceston. Cabbed and tender added. Scarlet red. Deeper buffer beam than alice class. • Gertrude (Statfold, sectioned LOL!) • and 3 in the larger Penrhyn Port class (have unusual nameplates too) - stepped footplate, domed, longer. o Gwynedd (Bressingham). black lined complex white. o Lilian (Launceston). Black lined Penrhyn blue/red – also with tender! o Winifred (Bala Lake). Black lined Penrhyn blue/red. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but these are somewhat incorrect. With a repaint Alice can only represent: Alice Holy War George B King of the Scarlets (post 128ish) Change the cab sheets and you can add Wild Aster and Irish Mail Add a dome and change the cab sheets you can have Maid Marian as built. Change the frame profile and you can have Rough Pup Enid as built Cloister as built King of the Scarlets (as built) Maid Marian C. 50s/60s) Add a crosshead feed pump and change the frame profile and you can have Velinheli as built To get a current condition Velinheli you need to change frame profile, change cab sheets, add a dome. To Get Red Damsel you need to change frame profile and add tank mounted injectors/delete the backhead ones. To get Cloister you need to change frame profile, modify the tank (no handrails, different filler) and reverse the steam turret. To get the original Port locos (Covertcoat & Bernstein) you'd need to change the frame profile and buffer beams. The Penrhyn small class are all fine with just new names The Penyrorsedd Cabbed ones are all fine with just new names and paint, and can also represent Irish Mail with a cab, as well as Holy War as running (also needs side buffers). None of the Penrhyn Port or Large class can be modelled, nor can the Dinorwig later Port type or tramway type, or Lady Madcap. I'm also ignoring other detail differences such as buffer beams, buffers, pipe runs, sandboxes and other small details in this. Edited October 16, 2021 by Quarryscapes 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthesnail96 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 On 24/08/2021 at 18:54, AMJ said: @brianthesnail96I'm sure knowing Bachmann that if you wait long enough your preferred loco will be in the range. I was being thoroughly tongue in cheek, as Quarryscapes has highlighted there's no two the same (and they evolved over time too)- it's be preposterous for them to tool for all possibilities but someone usually expects them too. My particular "want", especially with the ugly air pump on the smokebox, is particularly obscure! Alan George's current (or at least, most recent running) state is pretty close to Nesta as modelled though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peach james Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just to confuse things further, be aware that the identity of the locos is NOT as above in reality- the frames, boilers and nameplates of at least 2 are NOT matched...so you literally get to choose the name to go with the frame. How do I know? KoS was Maid Marion's frames, and KoS's boiler & nameplate for 40 years. I am suspicious that more than just that pair are mis-identified. I understand(*) that the locos were basically "put back together" when they were sold, depending on what would kind of fit together in terms of boiler/running gear at the time. (*) that's what dad said, particularly regards to the engines that went to Bala Lake. He'd have been in the know(ish) from working with the Lloyd Jones Brothers and Mick the Scrap at the time the engines were leaving the quarry to homes elsewhere. I know dad was slightly involved in F&D RPS, as well as the group that wanted Bala Lake to be standard gauge, and that he and Grandfather Powell certainly had connections into the North Wales steam scene from 1959 on. James Powell 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhydddu Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) @Quarryscapes I think ‘somewhat incorrect’ is a bit extreme as the majority of your points (Other classes) are indeed covered in my original post. I did miss the filler on Cloister - good point. The ones that aren’t mentioned in my list are frame profile, which I had assumed the RTR model should be able to be altered to something close enough (particularly as it’s hard to see anyway) and minor detail differences such as injectors and cross head pumps. The one which has me head scratching at the moment is the point about cab sheets. What is the main difference between Alice and Maid Marian/Irish mail? thanks Colin Edited October 25, 2021 by rhydddu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarryscapes Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 hours ago, rhydddu said: @Quarryscapes I think ‘somewhat incorrect’ is a bit extreme as the majority of your points (Other classes) are indeed covered in my original post. I did miss the filler on Cloister - good point. The ones that aren’t mentioned in my list are frame profile, which I had assumed the RTR model should be able to be altered to something close enough (particularly as it’s hard to see anyway) and minor detail differences such as injectors and cross head pumps. The one which has me head scratching at the moment is the point about cab sheets. What is the main difference between Alice and Maid Marian/Irish mail? thanks Colin Somewhat incorrect is hardly an extreme statement, it's as mild as it gets. I am writing an article on the subject at the moment for NG&IRM. 1903+ locos have taller cab sheets, the front waist panels finish behind the saddle tank. Irish Mail having had a cab has differences again. On 20/10/2021 at 16:58, peach james said: Just to confuse things further, be aware that the identity of the locos is NOT as above in reality- the frames, boilers and nameplates of at least 2 are NOT matched...so you literally get to choose the name to go with the frame. How do I know? KoS was Maid Marion's frames, and KoS's boiler & nameplate for 40 years. I am suspicious that more than just that pair are mis-identified. I understand(*) that the locos were basically "put back together" when they were sold, depending on what would kind of fit together in terms of boiler/running gear at the time. (*) that's what dad said, particularly regards to the engines that went to Bala Lake. He'd have been in the know(ish) from working with the Lloyd Jones Brothers and Mick the Scrap at the time the engines were leaving the quarry to homes elsewhere. I know dad was slightly involved in F&D RPS, as well as the group that wanted Bala Lake to be standard gauge, and that he and Grandfather Powell certainly had connections into the North Wales steam scene from 1959 on. James Powell After 1952: King of the Scarlets = Maid Marian bottom half, KOTS top half Maid Marian = King of the Scarlets Bottom Half, Velinheli Velinheli = Velinheli bottom half, Maid Marian top half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhydddu Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Thanks. Look forward to the article - sounds very interesting. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 These are listed as due Jul/Aug on the Bachmann website 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1722 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Paul.Uni said: These are listed as due Jul/Aug on the Bachmann website Gutted, I was hoping for the first quarter. Best get on with my Five79 kit then… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 2022 RRP: Alice & Nesta - £139.95 Britomart & Dorothea - £149.95 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted April 4, 2022 Share Posted April 4, 2022 https://news.Bachmann.co.uk/2022/04/livery-samples-quarry-hunslets/ 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted April 5, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2022 And the arrival date next year according to the update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold CotBob Posted April 5, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2022 5 hours ago, PaulRhB said: And the arrival date next year according to the update. Well that is a disappointment and no mistake. I had hoped, against all reason, with the painted samples out already that the wait would not be so long. 😞 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 These have a release date of Jan/Feb on the Bachmann website 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 The Bachmann website has been updated. Britomart is due Nov/Dec and the rest are due Dec/Jan. 1 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Bachmann website shows that Britomart has arrived. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Fair Oak Junction Posted November 9, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) Oh crikey. What with these and the "Mainline" Hunslets all arriving at roughly the same time my wallet is hiding in the corner sweating profusely! 😂 Edited November 9, 2022 by Obsidian Quarry 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markn Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Has there been any insight into which 6 pin decoders will fit into these yet? Wondering if the normal Bachmann will fit or if its just the more expensive (and slightly smaller) micro ones they do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Dublo2 Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 17 minutes ago, Markn said: Has there been any insight into which 6 pin decoders will fit into these yet? Wondering if the normal Bachmann will fit or if its just the more expensive (and slightly smaller) micro ones they do. Bachmann's website recommends the more expensive one (36-571). May have to wait for someone to receive a model and take a look before we know if something else will fit. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted November 11, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, 5Dublo2 said: Bachmann's website recommends the more expensive one (36-571). May have to wait for someone to receive a model and take a look before we know if something else will fit. Looking around retailers last night I noticed at least one was quoting the micro version, just can;t remember which. Roy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markn Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 OK cheers guys. I've a Britomart and Nesta on order, so should know the answer soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 The decoder is a Zimo one - MX616N which subject to availability is cheaper - £34 quoted by Coastal DCC https://www.coastaldcc.co.uk/products/zimo/mx616n 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Dublo2 Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Butler Henderson said: The decoder is a Zimo one - MX616N which subject to availability is cheaper - £34 quoted by Coastal DCC https://www.coastaldcc.co.uk/products/zimo/mx616n That's the type I used in the Small England (although MX616F as I used the version with trailing wires) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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