Royal Scotsman train

[forest2807]

As the title suggests, I'm interested in information pertaining to the Royal Scotsman train dating from the 1980's. The Royal Scotsman website is excellent but gives only present day information. One day I'd like to recreate the train in model form behind a large logo Inverness Class 37, but I have no idea what coaches formed the train back then, or indeed if they are available as kits in 4mm scale. I wish I'd paid more attention when I was growing up in the Highlands during my teens!

Any information gratefully received, photos would be especially appreciated.

[coachmann]

I filmed it in the 1990s and it had a Thomson coach in the consist and the last coach had an outside observation platform. Didnt take any photo though.

[rob D2]

The nick meskell photographic books available from train crazy have some shots of this, it may be worth getting hold of the second and possibly third in series " Scottish class 37s" . From what I can remember there are all sorts of oddities in the formation in cluding a coach built in 1890s !

 

I'll have another look when back in the Uk next week

[jamie92208]

Somethimes the basic coach info was given in the platform 5 books, what years are you interested in and I have a lok as I've got a fairly complete collection.

 

Jamie

[jamie92208]

Somethimes the basic coach info was given in the platform 5 books, what years are you interested in and I have a lok as I've got a fairly complete collection.

 

Jamie

 

Further to the above. In the 1987 Platform 5 book the following info is given. (there is also a photo)

Plated No Brake and heat codes Original No present No Built Type

THR 99880 vs 5159 19?? LNWR

THR 99881 vs 807 1??? GNR (Pictured in teak livery all other coaches in Plum and Milk)

THR 99882 vs E19169 1962 BR SK

THR 99883 vs E2108 1960 BR SLF

THR 99884 vs E19208 1963 BR SK

THR 99885 vs 2110 1960 BR SLF

THR 99886 vs E35407 1963 BR BSK

 

If you want me to look up any other years let me know by pm

 

Cheers

 

Jamie

[forest2807]

Thank you! That's really useful information - sorry if I'm being slow Jamie but what does THR stand for?

Adrian

[jamie92208]

I believe it stands for Thomas Hill railways based in the Sheffield area who were the owners of the coaches. they were mainatined at Craigentinny and I think a lot of the conversion/refurbishment was done at carnforth but there was some connection with Thomas Hill who were a loco building firm in South Yorkshire.

 

 

Cheers

 

Jamie

[jamie92208]

I believe it stands for Thomas Hill railways based in the Sheffield area who were the owners of the coaches. they were mainatined at Craigentinny and I think a lot of the conversion/refurbishment was done at carnforth but there was some connection with Thomas Hill who were a loco building firm in South Yorkshire.

 

 

Cheers

 

Jamie

 

The plated number was the official TOPS number usually carried in an oval yellow plate with black lettering attached to the coach solebar, the same size as a works plate. I'm not sure if modern privately owned coaches have them but if you are moelling them you need them on as they used to stand out.

 

Jamie

[jbg06003]

Hi Adrian,

 

First a couple of shots taken at Ladybank (for the Fernie Castle overnight stay) in June 1987. The loco that night was 37085.

 

 

Note the primitive and temporary platform created specifically for the service - for the modeller an excuse to run traffic to that little used siding - after modelling the rake

 

 

 

Some pics of a service in PSG taken in June 1985

 

The inevitable LL 37 - in this case 37 183. The leading coach is 99886.

 

 

Then the sleepers, 99885 is nearest the camera

 

 

State car 10000

 

 

Sleeper 99884

 

 

Finally the wrinklies...

 

GN 807

 

 

LNWR 5159

 

 

Last and certainly not least the CR observation car

 

 

Finally, Ive posted this before - but I like it!!

 

 

Best of luck with the model - that lining pen is going to be taking a hammering!!

 

Bruce

[Chameleon]

I can remember seeing these old coaches at Edinburgh years ago. Where are they now? Presumably on a preserved line somewhere? Or perhaps at Carnforth?

[k9-70]

My camera, my film, but the image made for me by a friend at Edinburgh Waverley 02-01-1993.

This was the last coach of the Royal Scotsman train showing the outside observation platform.

It's a pity he didn't make a better photo.

 

K9-70

[Flood]

The original vacuum braked rake was replaced in about 1989/1990. The photo of the observation car from k9-70 is from the later rake, all the other photos are the original rake.

[forest2807]

Thanks to all for the contributions and the photos - they are fantastic!

[young37215]

Resurecting this old thread, I want to create the vacum braked, steam heated first iteration of the Royal Scotsman. It will need to be condensed to 5 coaches to fit my layout but I think a BSK, SLF, SK plus 2 of the older coaches will look fine. The BSK, SLF and SK can all be Bachmann standard offerings suitably repainted, my question is are there any proprietry options for any of the 'wrinklies'. On the basis that they pre-date my era by a distance they are not something I am familiar with. A cursoory look around does not show anything obvious for any of the Great Northern teak coach 807, the LNWR dining salon 5159 or the CR observation car.  Can anyone provide any suggestions?