Allegheny1600 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 7 hours ago, friscopete said: Bloody fabulous .Have ordered the SECR version .One of my favorite locos ever .Will probably end up as a shelf fairy as my chances of ever making a British layout in 00 receded every day so after a quick run on my SP layout it will be mothballed in my display case.. In my very umble opinion though, your phrase 'mothballed in the display case' is as good a reason as any as to why "train set" curves should be dropped from most model railway requirements. So many locos will end up not actually being run so why bother with anything less than say, 22" radius? My reasons for NOT modelling British outline pre-group are evaporating rapidly! Cheers, John. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestTom Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Excellent choice. I reckon these are going to sell out - they're the sort of engine that has aesthetic appeal beyond the SECR/Southern modelling scene. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 15, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Allegheny1600 said: In my very umble opinion though, your phrase 'mothballed in the display case' is as good a reason as any as to why "train set" curves should be dropped from most model railway requirements. So many locos will end up not actually being run so why bother with anything less than say, 22" radius? ... or, indeed, 16.5 mm gauge? 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 15, 2019 Well Hattons showed one in their train samples, now this! Very nice indeed and a SECR one pre ordered! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyKarl Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Great news! Have ordered the gorgeous SECR one already and am tempted by two more . Will have to order a few more of the Hattons coaches to go with it . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted October 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 hours ago, tetsudofan said: Surely its about time that building models of this calibre should not be dominated by the need to go round trainset points and curves..... Keith Agree. But I can't see it happening. A big part of the market is "collectors" who are quite happy to run on a trainset test circuit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgeconna Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Corr, I Reckon I'll go for a SECR jobbie for Railtours. the black is just too Drab when compared to the Lovely SECR engine. Wish I studied harder in school now as you need to be a flipping doctor or solicitor to afford all ths juicy stuff! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markneilp14 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Joseph_Pestell said: Surely, the prototype locomotive would suffer much the same problem. The issue for the model is about how you fix and spring the pony so that is takes its fair share of the weight. Equalising beams between the front bogie pivot and the lead axle will ensure all 4 axles wheelsets are in direct contact more of the time. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markneilp14 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 hours ago, JSpencer said: I like the way Graham's blog ends "….and Rails of Sheffield have beaten a number of interested parties to the market." There have been rumours of Hornby doing a D and/or E class for 2020. Maybe in January we will see yet another Rails/Hornby duplication conflict on a pre-grouping loco. The pedigree D vs the not so pedigree D.... I do not like that attitude of the pedigree vs the non-pedigree you do not make your own light shine brighter by putting out someone else’s flame 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markneilp14 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Jack P said: Hornby could go ahead and do an E, wouldn't that work nicely I built an E class a few years back into full BR black livery. Knowing my luck as you say that will be the next one to be released and the same number too!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Intrigued, not by this model (Southern locos are not my thing) but by the fact that it appears Hatton's "Genesis" announcement appears to have released a feline escapee from a bag, which gives me hope that their other strange formation led by a proper black painted loco, the LNWR Precedent, may also be another feline escapologist. I can but hope. 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, wombatofludham said: Intrigued, not by this model (Southern locos are not my thing) but by the fact that it appears Hatton's "Genesis" announcement appears to have released a feline escapee from a bag, which gives me hope that their other strange formation led by a proper black painted loco, the LNWR Precedent, may also be another feline escapologist. I can but hope. Clearly method in their madness of a generic coach. Perhaps also the omission of LBSCR coaches is another feline - would this be more a Shroedingers Coach though 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 3 hours ago, AY Mod said: You need to add a "WOW" reaction... That looks pretty good. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, MGR Hooper! said: You need to add a "WOW" reaction... That looks pretty good. A "that looks pretty good" emoticon probably wouldn't go amiss either! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Well I don't think anyone's actually criticised this fantastic announcement yet - but FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN SHOWN SO FAR - it looks like they've fallen into the same trap as Wills / Finecast did all those years ago and overlooked the extra dampers ( or whatever ) fitted to the tender spring hangers : I think these were fitted from new to the E class, certainly to the L class and retro-fitted to all other Wainwright tenders. before grouping. ( and I'm sure they'll straighten the front vac pipe if someone mentions it ! ) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 3 hours ago, tetsudofan said: Surely its about time that building models of this calibre should not be dominated by the need to go round trainset points and curves..... Even those who do their best to avoid such issues on the scenic portion of a layout may need to resort to them in fiddle yards and other non-scenic portions. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugebits Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Wickham Green said: Well I don't think anyone's actually criticised this fantastic announcement yet - but FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN SHOWN SO FAR - it looks like they've fallen into the same trap as Wills / Finecast did all those years ago and overlooked the extra dampers ( or whatever ) fitted to the tender spring hangers : I think these were fitted from new to the E class, certainly to the L class and retro-fitted to all other Wainwright tenders. before grouping. ( and I'm sure they'll straighten the front vac pipe if someone mentions it ! ) There's always some sourpuss wants to spoil the party - get a life... Edited October 15, 2019 by Hugebits 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Do you want your models accurate or not ? ............. THIS is the time to point out possible problems - not when they go into production : look how the Hattons 'Genesis' coaches have evolved with a little input from RMwebbers. As I say a fantastic announcement ................. get a life yerself ! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Wickham Green said: THIS is the time to point out possible problems - not when they go into production : look how the Hattons 'Genesis' coaches have evolved with a little input from RMwebbers. Not to mention Rails' own Terrier! Rails have shown a commendable degree of uptake on suggestions/criticism. Edited October 15, 2019 by truffy 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, HonestTom said: Excellent choice. I reckon these are going to sell out - they're the sort of engine that has aesthetic appeal beyond the SECR/Southern modelling scene. Coffee / Screen interface issues again... Edited October 15, 2019 by The Black Hat 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Allegheny1600 said: I agree - this is Bl00dy fabulous! In my very umble opinion though, your phrase 'mothballed in the display case' is as good a reason as any as to why "train set" curves should be dropped from most model railway requirements. So many locos will end up not actually being run so why bother with anything less than say, 22" radius? My reasons for NOT modelling British outline pre-group are evaporating rapidly! Cheers, John. I remember when collectors keep everything in boxes and never ran them, but today there is a lot of items coming out every year to collect and most will run them - even if only occasionally, but when they do, it will probably be with a train too. Collectors in the 90s sense are probably rare now. In any case it has already been stated that this prototype poses no issues for doing a model to run on 2nd radius curves (unlike the Stirling single where the splashers have to be left off). What will be a challenge is keeping weight over the drivers, though that should be easier than the H class or M7. I love the SECR and even my best SECR layout plans call for tight curves in off scene areas. An end to end plank with scale curves, will never allow a D class to have a proper run with a decent train. The choice of colours means I can run full Wainwright livery with Hattons Generic wheelers for a 1910 scene. Or grey (there exists the N class, C class and P class in grey too) to go with Bachmann Birdcages for a 1920 scene. Then glossy SECR green for a BR late 50s scene. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Miss Prism said: The Adams T3 is a sweetie. And these were a bit 'ansome: http://www.gwr.org.uk/440-pics/16-brunel.jpg I don't think that the NRM will be working with anyone on a model of the T3 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Indeed ........................ but Swanage might - once they've got it in steam ! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 15, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Wickham Green said: Indeed ........................ but Swanage might - once they've got it in steam ! Or as a fund-raiser? cf. Bachmann and the Brighton atlantic project. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 ............ which brings us back to the question of the 'E' class ! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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