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19 hours ago, gwrrob said:

 

Mike @The Stationmaster assures me it got to Plymouth on more than one occasion.;)

From 22 May 1950 its regular diagram was down on the 15.30 ex Paddington then return the next day on the 07.15 ex Plymouth. (presumably either SX or M-S).  But on 5 june it was failed at a booked exam.  but went back to its previous diagram on 9 june but was taken off that diagram for test runs on 12 June.  However it subsequently failed at Newton Abbot while working an Up train on 13 June due to what was later established to be a damaged traction motor.  this led to it being taken off West of England work for wj hle but it went back to a Paddington - Plymouth diagram on 28 August. It carried on working pn the Plymouth route into December interspersed with works visits and occasional problems.

 

The loco spent a lot of 19521 in works and on test workings but did some Plymouth work in December but from 1952 it spent most of its time in traffic on Paddington =Bristol turns although it worked at least one turn from Paddington to Plymouth & return in September that year.

 

Information from Kevin Robertson's excellent book about the Western gas turbines.

 

BTW 'The Mayflower was not introduced until the 1957 Summer Timetable so is highly unlikely to have ever been worked by 18000 which by then had long been reduced to only three working traction motors and was effectively restricted to lighter loads although it had a fairly successful year in 1957.

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Does anyone know what would be an appropriate match for the lining on the green versions? That is, if you wanted to add the very fine lining on the lower cab front that has not been reproduced. I wonder if Fox Transfers Old Gold/Burnt Ochre might be right, but it is difficult to tell with online images rather than seeing the product in the flesh. 

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On 26/11/2021 at 19:31, Pteremy said:

Does anyone know what would be an appropriate match for the lining on the green versions? That is, if you wanted to add the very fine lining on the lower cab front that has not been reproduced. I wonder if Fox Transfers Old Gold/Burnt Ochre might be right, but it is difficult to tell with online images rather than seeing the product in the flesh. 

I know that Steve at Railtec Transfers (See the 'Smaller Suppliers' thread) is brilliant at making bespoke items. He has done unusual requests for me in the past (for example a "Filey Holiday Camp" DMU destination decal).

I am sure he would engage with you to find a solution if you are struggling, though he may need to see your model in order to match exactly.

Always found his service first rate, efficient/reliable/fast! 

Hope this helps!

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10 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said:

If Railtec can provide this, I would be happy to buy a set.

 

In terms of design and print it's probably very low hanging fruit. But - I would need to be explicitly guided. For example:

- N qty lengths of lining, xx mm long and yy mm thick. I don't have a gas turbine model here so I would really need this exact info.

- A pretty good representation of the colour that is needed.

 

Steve

 

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If I remember correctly there was an exchange earlier in this thread that concluded that the colour used would have been a 'standard' lining colour in use at the time. So what I was really hoping for by asking the question was that someone who has a green 18000, and also has some possibly appropriate lining to hand, could compare the two. The amount required is very small, and narrow - indeed, it barely shows up on most photographs. Trying to replicate it may be more trouble than it is worth. But then again who knows unless you try.

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So, by chance i noticed that the 'orange' lining is like the orange that Gaugemaster uses on its e.g leaflets. And Fox do orange and black 'express passenger' BR lining. So bought some lining, albeit for N gauge. If it looks good, all will be revealed.

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Well - the most widespread criticism of 18000 seems to be its disliking for sharper radii. Examing my late crest version it was evident that, with the loco inverted, the cosmetic bogie sideframes pivot independently of the actual bogies / wheels.

 

The limiting factors, as far as the cosmetic sideframes are concerned, are the portions which are within the bodysides; little can be done to increase the rotation other than attacking the bodysides or the detail of the sideframes.

 

The limiting factor for the actual bogies / wheels is the extent to which they can move within the cosmetic sideframes; in this case, it appeared possible to reduce the thickness of the latter, on the inside, in order to increase rotation.

 

Having removed the body in accordance with the instructions, and turning the cosmetic bogie sideframes as far as possible, it is apparent that the wheels strike the inside of the frames at the rear of the outer and inner spring dampers. Using a diamond-faced mini-file, I removed as much of the inner face of the inside of the damper, and the adjoining frame adjacent to the corner, as I dared.

 

This was done at an angle - deepest towards the corner, tapering to nothing at the inner end of the damper; ie. a wedge shape. This allowed the wheels to rotate further into what had been solid sideframe. The filing was repeated for the remaining seven sideframe dampers. A gentle scrape with a scalpel blade removed any 'fuzz' raised by the file, and then the body was reattached to the chassis; (after taking the opportunity to fit the cab steps to the body, and the brakegear links to the bogies).

 

Test running revealed that the loco is now far more amenable to radii, and happily negotiates Peco medium radius crossovers and worse!

 

John Isherwood.

 

 

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10 hours ago, cctransuk said:

Well - the most widespread criticism of 18000 seems to be its disliking for sharper radii. Examing my late crest version it was evident that, with the loco inverted, the cosmetic bogie sideframes pivot independently of the actual bogies / wheels.

 

The limiting factors, as far as the cosmetic sideframes are concerned, are the portions which are within the bodysides; little can be done to increase the rotation other than attacking the bodysides or the detail of the sideframes.

 

The limiting factor for the actual bogies / wheels is the extent to which they can move within the cosmetic sideframes; in this case, it appeared possible to reduce the thickness of the latter, on the inside, in order to increase rotation.

 

Having removed the body in accordance with the instructions, and turning the cosmetic bogie sideframes as far as possible, it is apparent that the wheels strike the inside of the frames at the rear of the outer and inner spring dampers. Using a diamond-faced mini-file, I removed as much of the inner face of the inside of the damper, and the adjoining frame adjacent to the corner, as I dared.

 

This was done at an angle - deepest towards the corner, tapering to nothing at the inner end of the damper; ie. a wedge shape. This allowed the wheels to rotate further into what had been solid sideframe. The filing was repeated for the remaining seven sideframe dampers. A gentle scrape with a scalpel blade removed any 'fuzz' raised by the file, and then the body was reattached to the chassis; (after taking the opportunity to fit the cab steps to the body, and the brakegear links to the bogies).

 

Test running revealed that the loco is now far more amenable to radii, and happily negotiates Peco medium radius crossovers and worse!

 

John Isherwood.

 

 

 

Hmm, very useful John, could make EM conversion "interesting"!

 

Mike.

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3 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said:

 

Hmm, very useful John, could make EM conversion "interesting"!

 

Mike.

 

Fortunately, the plastic used for the bogie frames does not appear to be in any way brittle.

 

Modifications would be much easier if the bogie frames were easily removed.

 

This did not appear to be the case, so I did the filing in-situ, with the frames turned as far as possible away from the chassis block.

 

John Isherwood.

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1 hour ago, Railsnail said:

 

Still available in BR Green early & late BR crest if you wanted to give it another try... https://railsofsheffield.com/collections/18000-gas-turbine/products/Heljan-1802-br-gas-turbine-18000-class-locomotive-br-green-late-crest

Thanks, but TBH I don’t really want to modify that particular model, I bought it because it intrigued me and was interesting but not enough to bu99er it up just to get it to run around my 2nd radius hidden curves.

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33 minutes ago, gwrrob said:

Thinking of trying to add a crew to this model , was it a one or two [second man] member job.

Double manned Rob - the Fireman had to work the train heating boiler (at the appropriate time of year) and in any case for the sort of turns it worked single manning was not permitted in the days when it was running.   Bristol turns might just have qualified under the 1957 Manning Agreement but I suspect the hours on duty involved would have mitigated against that.

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On 19/02/2022 at 10:48, The Stationmaster said:

Double manned Rob - the Fireman had to work the train heating boiler (at the appropriate time of year) and in any case for the sort of turns it worked single manning was not permitted in the days when it was running.   Bristol turns might just have qualified under the 1957 Manning Agreement but I suspect the hours on duty involved would have mitigated against that.

 

Weathered, crew and front detail now added although the 150 head code is pure fiction on my part. The numbers supplied are magnetic and very easy to chop and change if needed. Hopefully this item will be available as a separate item from Rail's in due course.

 

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