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WR HST Formations 1976/77/78 - Observations Please


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Over 10 years ago I placed a request on RMWeb for details of WR HST formations observed during 1976/77/78.  The thread used to be available on the old RMWeb archive but is now long gone.  Many regular contributors responded positively back in 2008/9.  10 years on my effort to document the day to day operation and formation of the fleet continues.  I wondered if any new members might have relevant information they might be able to share with me.  Apologies for this request not being directly related to modelling but I know that back in the day many modellers were observers of the contemporary railway scene.

 

Ideally I prefer observations that detail full formations (power cars and trailers), accurately dated.  Any other information such as location, service working, if available would be welcome.  In the absence of full formations, observations of power car pairings or even sets identified by Class 253 unit number can be helpful.  Any observation of vehicles, formations observed on depot visits are also very useful.  I am not in need of lists of booked formations reproduced in RCTS, Platform 5 or Ian Allan stock books as my interest is in the actual day to day make up of the HST fleet during the first years of HST operation. 

 

I appreciate this is perhaps an unusual request.  I have been fortunate in receiving a great deal of help from many individuals over the years, but my records contain many gaps, conflicts and anomalies.  I know that it can take time to trawl through old notebooks and collate the relevant detail but any help would be much appreciated.   I am willing to negotiate payment or make charitable donations if required for information received.  

 

I can obviously be contacted by PM (Private Message) on RMWeb and can provide an email address if that will make correspondence easier.

 

Thanks. Kevin Daniel (Commoner)

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Got some notes at Paddington 05/11/77. I was there from 13:45 until 15:00.

43045 41045 41046 40022 42105 42066 42067 42068 43044. I marked that set as 253022.

43034 42110 42109 40029 42108 40505 41071 41059 43038. Noted as 253017.

43053 41053 41054 40517 42078 40026 42079 42080 43052. Noted as 253026.

43039 41007 41008 40506 42011 40003 42010 42009 43006. Noted as 253003/19.

43036 42055 42054 42056 42101 40018 41038 41037 43037. Noted as 253018.

43047 41019 41020 40507 42027 40009 42028 42029 43003. Noted as 253001/23.

 

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Richard

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15/04/78 Paddington to Swindon. (07:45 to Weston super mare)

43008 41010 41009 40004 42013 42014 42087 42012 43009.

 

At Swindon

43034 42041 42020 42039 42096 40013 41028 41027 43007.

43063 41003 41004 40001 42005 42084 42003 42004 43XXX.

43003 41051 41052 40503 42075 40025 42076 42077 43042.

43051 42088 42015 42017 42016 40005 41012 41011 43018.

 

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22 hours ago, csvt2004 said:

At Swindon

43063 41003 41004 40001 42005 42084 42003 42004 43XXX

 

43063 was an ECML power car from new. The highest numbered WR power car was 43056 (set 253027). Don't know the dates when new, and since the other PC number is not known, could it have been ER power cars on test?

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ER PCs 43062/63 were loaned to the WR at OOC and SPM respectively 01/78-06/78.  They were preceded by 43060/61 with 41059/71, 40029 which were loaned 09/77-02/78 and combined with other WR vehicles, initially 42092/108/9/10 were used to form a 28th set.  40029 remained on the WR until 04/78.  These loans were followed by a complete set with power cars 43095/99 which was allocated to OOC 09/78-12/78.

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On 05/01/2020 at 12:55, Commoner said:

Over 10 years ago I placed a request on RMWeb for details of WR HST formations observed during 1976/77/78.  The thread used to be available on the old RMWeb archive but is now long gone.  Many regular contributors responded positively back in 2008/9.  10 years on my effort to document the day to day operation and formation of the fleet continues.  I wondered if any new members might have relevant information they might be able to share with me.  Apologies for this request not being directly related to modelling but I know that back in the day many modellers were observers of the contemporary railway scene.

 

Ideally I prefer observations that detail full formations (power cars and trailers), accurately dated.  Any other information such as location, service working, if available would be welcome.  In the absence of full formations, observations of power car pairings or even sets identified by Class 253 unit number can be helpful.  Any observation of vehicles, formations observed on depot visits are also very useful.  I am not in need of lists of booked formations reproduced in RCTS, Platform 5 or Ian Allan stock books as my interest is in the actual day to day make up of the HST fleet during the first years of HST operation. 

 

I appreciate this is perhaps an unusual request.  I have been fortunate in receiving a great deal of help from many individuals over the years, but my records contain many gaps, conflicts and anomalies.  I know that it can take time to trawl through old notebooks and collate the relevant detail but any help would be much appreciated.   I am willing to negotiate payment or make charitable donations if required for information received.  

 

I can obviously be contacted by PM (Private Message) on RMWeb and can provide an email address if that will make correspondence easier.

 

Thanks. Kevin Daniel (Commoner)

 

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Apologies for "bumping" this topic, but I  wondered a year on, whether any RMWeb members, new or old, might be able to add new information in response to my original post.  I appreciate the information I am seeking is scarce, but any help or new contributions would be much appreciated.  PM me if you need further information.

 

Thanks Kevin (Commoner)

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Hi Commoner,

id only just realised that the original thread had gone whilst looking for my posts!

A 1977 notebook has emerged which includes many HST formations which most probably I’ve posted before. However I don’t think I posted the ER 254 set loaned to the WR which I saw at Cardiff on 1/10/77 which you referred to earlier in this thread

43061-41059-41071-40505-42108-40029-42109-42110-43060

The notebook is from July-Nov 1977, and I most probably have posted the info before.

Neil 

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8 minutes ago, Downendian said:

Hi Commoner,

id only just realised that the original thread had gone whilst looking for my posts!

A 1977 notebook has emerged which includes many HST formations which most probably I’ve posted before. However I don’t think I posted the ER 254 set loaned to the WR which I saw at Cardiff on 1/10/77 which you referred to earlier in this thread

43061-41059-41071-40505-42108-40029-42109-42110-43060

The notebook is from July-Nov 1977, and I most probably have posted the info before.

Neil 

 

Hi Neil,

 

Thanks for that.  I have just sent you a PDF of screenshots of the thread from 2009.  If you unearth anything new that you had not sent before I would be really keen to see it.

 

Similarly if there is anyone reading the thread for the first time and has any relevant observations from 1976-78 please get in touch.

 

Best Wishes to All 

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Terrific thanks for the screenshots Commoner, will duly file away!

it looks as though I have already provided the HST formations in that notebook as the dates suggest, I will however check through and see if any have been missed, like the 254/253 set was.

Neil 

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