Cavalex Models All new RTR HAA and variants in 4mm scale

[LNERandBR]

I think the thing to remember here is that we don't know what the agreement is between Cavalex and the factory and I expect that information is kind of sensitive. 

 

As I've said already, I think they've made one hell of a decision here and one I really think should increase their reputation. I'm therefore sure Cav and Alex will make the best decision they can regarding what to do with this stock of HAA's for the betterment of their business, etc. I'm sure all options will be taken into consideration :)

 

 

[spamcan61]

10 hours ago, Krieghoff said:

To the guys at Cavalex.

For what its worth, i would advertise them as incorrectly assembled and at a discounted price. If they are to be 'written off' it would be such a shame for them to end up simply being thrown away or packed away in a dark corner of a warehouse. I am sure that good use would be made of them by modelers in general and as always, everyone loves a bargain.

 

Its worth consideration

I'd say that would reduce sales of the corrected ones, so would be a bad idea, but then it's not my business. Maybe after the corrected ones have sold through.

[Tugs]

While it is "disappointing" that we will have to wait longer for our wagons (truly, a first world problem), I have to echo other people in this thread to say: a massive boost in respect to Cavalex for this move. It would be so easy for them to just push ahead with the models as they are, but they want to provide models of the best quality, and that excites me.

 

I said it before in this thread, but having two successful, high-quality, and still reasonably priced manufacturers producing the kinds of "modern" wagons I'm interested in can only be a good thing. This move makes me more excited to see what Cavalex will come out with in the future, because you know it will be of the best possible quality.

[Roy Langridge]

13 hours ago, Krieghoff said:

To the guys at Cavalex.

For what its worth, i would advertise them as incorrectly assembled and at a discounted price. If they are to be 'written off' it would be such a shame for them to end up simply being thrown away or packed away in a dark corner of a warehouse. I am sure that good use would be made of them by modelers in general and as always, everyone loves a bargain.

 

Its worth consideration

 

It is not that simple though is it?

 

Firstly, who is paying for the replacement models? If it is the factory, financial impacts on Cavalex may not be big. Secondly, if Cavalex are not paying for replacements, who actually owns the models in question? Thirdly, what will the impact be on orders of the corrected model? Will people cancel? I am sure there are more questions.

 

I don't suggest that I know the answers to any of this and I don't expect answers. Just highlighting what must be factored into the decision.

 

Looking forward to my 36 when they are corrected and delivered. My only slight regret is that I was a good and paid for them when asked last week rather than waiting!

 

Roy

[Nick-L]

Well I can’t wait for these.  It’s a shame Cavalex and the two retailers have got this set back but having handled the samples at Alexandra Palace I am confident they’ll be worth the wait.  Being a hair shirt wearing P4 modeller it was great to see first hand what’ll be needed for conversion (fair easier than a Hornby model!).  And look at that CDA! The cover is beautifully rendered.

[Torbay Express]

On 11/05/2022 at 11:48, Roy Langridge said:

 

It is not that simple though is it?

 

Firstly, who is paying for the replacement models? If it is the factory, financial impacts on Cavalex may not be big. Secondly, if Cavalex are not paying for replacements, who actually owns the models in question? Thirdly, what will the impact be on orders of the corrected model? Will people cancel? I am sure there are more questions.

 

I don't suggest that I know the answers to any of this and I don't expect answers. Just highlighting what must be factored into the decision.

 

Looking forward to my 36 when they are corrected and delivered. My only slight regret is that I was a good and paid for them when asked last week rather than waiting!

 

Roy

Depending on where the fault is, some parts may be recycled for the correct batch - wheels, coupling, cradle etc., if the factory are funding it.

 

With the other model being released, it's  not a very good time , to sell faulty wagons of this type....

 

P.S. on the sample in post above, cradle looks a more railfreight red/orange than the other offering, unless it is just the light?

Edited May 20 by Torbay Express
Addition

[RBE]

1 hour ago, Torbay Express said:

P.S. on the sample in post above, cradle looks a more railfreight red/orange than the other offering, unless it is just the light?

 

The real wagons 'red' cradles were painted in the standard Railfreight Red/Orange as is ours.

[Torbay Express]

1 hour ago, RBE said:

 

The real wagons 'red' cradles were painted in the standard Railfreight Red/Orange as is ours.

Cav,that is what I were saying, it looks a very good ex-works 1980's Railfreight, compared to my pack from somewhere else that looks a little too pinky orange. 

 

Will be ok if/when I ever get round to weathering them (seen some dirty ones with this sort of colour/with this fade on Paul Bartlett's site), unless it is just the loft lighting......

 

 

 

 

Edited May 20 by Torbay Express
Clarity

[Roy Langridge]

33 minutes ago, RBE said:

 

The real wagons 'red' cradles were painted in the standard Railfreight Red/Orange as is ours.

 

Being old enough to remember these when first repainted into Railfreight Red, I think the colour in the photo above looks about right.

 

It also has to be kept in mind that what that red colour stands against changes what it looks like at as well. Look at an ex-works Railfreight 58, the red looks different under the grey compared to under the yellow.

 

Roy

[RBE]

Yes agreed, people often think that red stripe railfreight locos had a redder red than railfreight red however it was all the same in reality.

[nightstar.train]

Sorry if this has been listed somewhere else in the thread, but do you have wagon numbers for the different packs, particularly of the CDAs? I want to run a mixed rake of the ECC ones you're making and Accurascale's EWS ones, so would rather avoid clashing numbers. 

[Torbay Express]

2 hours ago, nightstar.train said:

Sorry if this has been listed somewhere else in the thread, but do you have wagon numbers for the different packs, particularly of the CDAs? I want to run a mixed rake of the ECC ones you're making and Accurascale's EWS ones, so would rather avoid clashing numbers. 

Maybe best to ask Trains4U or KMS -are they having different individual wagon numbers like with the HAA.

[Bishdurham]

How close are the First and Last HAAs to reaching these shores?  I thought I read somewhere that although the first part of the main production had errors and were being reworked, this would not affect the production of the models for Locomotion.

Edited Sunday at 12:53 by Bishdurham