RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted November 30, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2020 A quick tidy turned up a not lost but buried box of old part built treasures! After a bit of -as it turns out not quite good enough prep I leapt into action with Rattle cans - Seville orange and Inca yellow. The Orange one will be a tippex livery coach 5408, a 1972 Derby build exported to Ireland and became the Presidential coach and now preserved, basis is a Lima coach and Bill Bedford sides - been part built best part of a decade... The Yellow driver trailer was an intermediate vehicle on the NIR 4 piece 80 railcar sandite set. - the only non motor car in the consist. IIRC 752, but it will get right number in time Railtec transfers in stock ready. Both quick sprays have shown up limitations and will need a bit of rework, but it is progress. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted December 2, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 2, 2020 More coach action - a good day yesterday with 12 bodies getting a bit of progress ! NIR 8911 - roof hatch and exhaust box fitted side grills are trimmed class 37/4 units, new roof vents fitted and round grill is an n gauge class 47 grill. I realised it has taken a decade to get this far... End shot of a Brass etched - MTK MK 2 EGV, plasticard roof hatch as etched one would double as armour plate. 0.4 mm wire for roof lift lugs and exhaust elbows formed by cutting up a mould sprue from a Tomix N gauge lorry details pack! The enlargement shows why this has sat around for 20 years - the end gutters and roof shape just do not match. Now with a few years and a few more doubtful skills in bashing I will carve off end and refit 0.5mm lower which stopped progress years ago . Today has seen some faffing with Kaydees and lima chassis units to give a method of batch fitting couplings. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted December 2, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 2, 2020 EGV showing whole affair hinges and handles to add, one of a pair from MTK many years ago funnily the other has hinges better done - however some thought here as a landing provided for hinge etch so easier to mask/ paint and add later hinges etc in final detailing . Three white dots by door steps is that etch allows folding steps but leave a gap in shell below - so this is plasticard to close. 3 devlopement shells, top is Halford Ibis White , middle is a slightly botched Gen brake 914, Railtec verson 3 of NIR loco livery with white stripe and logo panel. Bottom is a SO with Darius created Version 2- no white stripe and logo on dobyside colours 914 is Precision NIR coach grey and the SO is a Halfords ford grey. The all white will I think gain a dark blue stripe and be a test bed for livery 4 the bumble bee stripes version. The blue looks to be sort of Reg rail dark blue so rattle cans ready. - I will get a match using a MM 201 model. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted December 2, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 2, 2020 Revisited 5408 with the gaps filled and a dose of paint again - issue with ends so a spot more filler, need to drill for commode handles and sort some vent axia roof - N gauge 3D print bogie retaining pins or a kitmaster 3mm version might work, something for tomorrow. A case of the start of 547 the 1969 MK2B catering car - the one that breaks the myth as it was built new as a catering car early MK2 along with the MK2d caterers for CIE. BR having plenty of Mk1s catering vehicle I guess not really a priority in the build plans. This is a Lima SO with window holes cleaned out and squared up blanks easier to cut. The right hand and one on otherside were MK2 sealed style units so will be a bit of bashing with window lower frame to be let in to the side - a bit of an airfix coach is the idea at this time, I can see a Shawplan etched frame to finish at some point... 546 (RSS 1800) and 548 the TSOT all on the bench having what could be called TLC. Tonight has seen a concerted effort to mug up the floor pans - 12 fitted with mounts for Kaydees and painted, once teamed up with a shell the extra undergubbins can be glued on. phew. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Jackson Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 10 hours ago, Robert Shrives said: EGV showing whole affair hinges and handles to add, one of a pair from MTK many years ago funnily the other has hinges better done - however some thought here as a landing provided for hinge etch so easier to mask/ paint and add later hinges etc in final detailing . Three white dots by door steps is that etch allows folding steps but leave a gap in shell below - so this is plasticard to close. 3 devlopement shells, top is Halford Ibis White , middle is a slightly botched Gen brake 914, Railtec verson 3 of NIR loco livery with white stripe and logo panel. Bottom is a SO with Darius created Version 2- no white stripe and logo on dobyside colours 914 is Precision NIR coach grey and the SO is a Halfords ford grey. The all white will I think gain a dark blue stripe and be a test bed for livery 4 the bumble bee stripes version. The blue looks to be sort of Reg rail dark blue so rattle cans ready. - I will get a match using a MM 201 model. Revell paint No 52 is a dead ringer for MM 111 & 201 NIR dark blue. A while back I changed MM 8113 to 111 by simply respraying the cabs with Revell 52, which matched the rest of the loco perfectly. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted December 3, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 3, 2020 6 hours ago, David Jackson said: Revell paint No 52 is a dead ringer for MM 111 & 201 NIR dark blue. A while back I changed MM 8113 to 111 by simply respraying the cabs with Revell 52, which matched the rest of the loco perfectly. Brilliant info. just dived into my tinlet collection- and I have Revell 51 ! But have an agreed visit to pick up and collect from Tornado books today, so hopefully I can go up one number. P264 Which is Chiltern blue v close to 51. Thanks Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Jackson Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Found this picture of 111. Only the cabs have been resprayed with Revell 52. The rest is original MM blue. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted December 4, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2020 That looks spot on Revell 51 too dark, Humbol gloss 14 close but slighly yellower in tone, Precision paints Chiltern blue dammmmm close when wet, have to see in an hour when dry if the line shows - done on inside and edges of spare cab. Could well be hunting for revel 52 at this rate ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Jackson Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 I found the Revell 52 when I was living in Portrush just when the Bumble Bee livery was starting to appear. I started to build a rake of coaches in that livery, the coach behind the loco in the picture was the first of them. I tried a number of different blues, and compared them with the real thing at Portrush station. The 52 was a perfect match so I went for it. Imagine my surprise when some 25 years later Murphy Models produced the 111 and 201 in a blue that was a dead ringer for the 52. I have to say that the body of the loco in the picture looks slightly darker that the cabs, but it is just the light. The walkway also looks lighter that the body, but it was never repainted and is original MM blue same as the body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted December 4, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2020 Revell 52 on order ! That was a step forward today along with some rattle can action on 5408 - which now is ok for me. black to add when orange hardened fully- Sunday to be safe. Some bogies started for EGVs and 80 class using Southern pride nylon inners - makes for free running units with decorative side frames glued on. The backward report is that my yellow 752 is wrong - it is right for another driver trailer mod but 752 has differing windows around the leading passenger door so that will see another bodyshell subject to a hackenbash alteration in the future. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted December 16, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2020 A few transfers being tried out . upper coach 826 - older blue NIR stripe thanks to Darius who produced a sheet for me , on MIR NIR IC grey. Below is 904 in Halford Audi ibis white with Railtech NIR Intercity blue with white edges. Which looks more cheerful to me. GSV in Black and Tan now with white stripe and glazing added. Etched sides on Triang BG - the overlength one. more tiddly bits to hang on outside. Biggest fail is no fuel/ water fillers on the corner but hopefully it will look ok with some Cravens and a 141. I have Southern pride B5 bogies for it but have to sort bogie mounts. This has to one of my first forays in to CIE in 4mm - perhaps 20 years old.. no rush mind you. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted December 16, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2020 two more pics. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Davey Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Nice work! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted December 18, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2020 Well , I need an expert ! I tried fitting the Vac formed finecast glazing to the coaches and not good . I certainly do not have enough packs to get enough even close to good fit. I was wondering if somebody could draw up a window set for the Lima MK2 and I could approach York lazer models who will "do" lazer cut on 1mm acrylic and get a suitable standard file cut and then perhaps York could sell on to others as surely I am not alone ... ? I know Brian at Shawplan has thicker glazing suitable for the Gatwicks/ MK2D s but currently nothing earlier in the MK2 story. I hope you can help ....! Robert 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 I would be interested in some Robert if you can do it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted December 26, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 26, 2020 903 with vac windows when had camera out just now. end shot - Now did these coaches get black ends - getting decal down next to a PITA due to mouldings . A little tease used as prop. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirley Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Picture of Gen Van end. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted December 28, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted December 28, 2020 Thanks , This is what I had found ! As David has said a case of out with the paint brush. I guess it made livery easier to spray . I am trying to convenience myself that NIR grey on these coaches is infact BR rail grey, which was called pearl grey and I guess is so near to white it is often hard to descern the rail white stripe on BR stock . However the Rattle can I have - Audi ibis white is so close to pics taken in bright sun it does look good . What I cannot reconcile is the pic on page 35 of Rail runabout of a driving coach in a darker/ duller grey compared to 3 coaches behind . Also a similar but not the same train on page 67 of 35 years of NIR where the caoches do look white - but I cannot see a definitive white line next to the blue. I really am open to thoughts on this or other pics . The Gen pic above does seem not to have a white line on the sunny side below the tail lamp and the body colour decidely a grey, closer looking it is also noteworthy the end weathering/ grot not the same density. (off to lay down in a darkened room to dream of time travel!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunslet 102 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Photos, depending on the angle and lighting can throw up different variants that can add to the confusion! If you look at your own photos above, the blue and the grey on the side view look spot on, but the photo of the end view suggests the blue stripe on the left hand side looks darker than the right hand side, as does the yellow stripe! If the colour looks right, I don’t think anyone could argue the point 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achil Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 On 28/12/2020 at 10:22, Robert Shrives said: Thanks , This is what I had found ! As David has said a case of out with the paint brush. I guess it made livery easier to spray . I am trying to convenience myself that NIR grey on these coaches is infact BR rail grey, which was called pearl grey and I guess is so near to white it is often hard to descern the rail white stripe on BR stock . The BR "pearl grey" was more akin to the light grey used on upper panels on railcars 1967-70 with maroon below. The shade used on the "Enterprise" stock in the 1980s was still a light shade, but very significantly darker than the BR shade. In real life, even when clean and in bright sunshine (neither being THAT commonplace!) it still wouldn't have looked whitish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted March 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 7, 2021 Model Irish Railways used to sell NIR grey paint. Try contacting them to see if they can help. They trade on ebay username sylvimcnall-0 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted March 9, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 9, 2021 Well new arrival in the armoury available to Irish modellers. https://www.facebook.com/MidlandValenta Parts prepared for a 3D print EGV - the coach shell in devlopement and of course this resulted in MM doing an announcement for the MK3 range - but this body likely to be available shortly and as above grills £2.50 plus postage seems a good way forward for EGV dutch conversion and correcting the grills on the Bill Beford etches - almost right for originals but new vents at some point with revised frame. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelG Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Robert Shrives said: Well new arrival in the armoury available to Irish modellers. https://www.facebook.com/MidlandValenta Parts prepared for a 3D print EGV - the coach shell in devlopement and of course this resulted in MM doing an announcement for the MK3 range - but this body likely to be available shortly and as above grills £2.50 plus postage seems a good way forward for EGV dutch conversion and correcting the grills on the Bill Beford etches - almost right for originals but new vents at some point with revised frame. Excellent are these available to purchase online at the moment? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted March 10, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 10, 2021 Noel, Yes available now, the Midland Valenta gent did note I had paid for 6 at £2.50 and had chucked a couple in as spares so I did rather well , just need to find the Dutch EGV and mark and drill sides ! Please go via link on my post and should get you in contact. He was helpful and fast. Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catman14 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Hi, just found your picks of re-sprays. Did you get them finished?. I am planning doing a re-spray of a Bachmann turbo star into a CAF 4000 and was wondering f you could give some guidance on the colours to use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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