adamvb Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Well the first MK4 has arrived (R40163 - GNER Coach K) - quite a few finish issues with the glazing and paint and what I assume are production tabs left intact on the bottom of the body - hopefully everyone elses are better! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham108 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, adamvb said: Well the first MK4 has arrived (R40163 - GNER Coach K) - quite a few finish issues with the glazing and paint and what I assume are production tabs left intact on the bottom of the body - hopefully everyone elses are better! I'd be sending that straight back 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shunny Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 That looks like something you'd find second hand unboxed rather than a brand new model. I wonder if the factory producing these is new to Hornby as we haven't seen quality issues like that in many of their other products? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted May 31, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 31, 2022 My two FO’s have arrived and I am happy to report that they appear to be blemish-free. Cheers Darius 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanN91 Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Darius43 said: My two FO’s have arrived and I am happy to report that they appear to be blemish-free. Cheers Darius Very nice Darius! The love how the lighting catches the typical look of the late 1990s PP East Coast GNER livery!) I would return them Adam as they are in such poor condition! I hope all my original BR INTERCITY Swallow MK4 coach stock, including MK4 DVT are in pristine condition too! I've been in regular contact with my stockist. I am still waiting for mine which I am told is due very soon! Mine obviously is the BR Class 91002 Durham Cathedral named after a very beautiful English city and Catherdal off topic (but well done Bradford! a very well deserved winner! Can Exeter please be nominated for UK City of Culture 2029?! As I'm from Devon and The beautiful Royal Clarence will be restored by then 2024 according to architectures, English heritage and Exeter city Council following the devastation from 2016 so why not let the South West be nominated?!). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VXDH92 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 12 hours ago, Darius43 said: My two FO’s have arrived and I am happy to report that they appear to be blemish-free. Cheers Darius Great pics Darius. Very interesting that the red stripe has the word RESTAURANT on it - I didnt realise the FOs had this. Looks like they've used a similar shade of GNER blue to their most recent GNER releases (which were a good few years back). To my eye, it's a bit light and not quite as accurate as the GNER blue that they used on their earlier GNER releases, around the year 2000, but these things are subjective. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted June 1, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 1, 2022 The “Restaurant” label was one of the first things I noticed upon unboxing. Can’t find a picture of a GNER Mk4 FO with this lettering on the web. Is it correct or an error? Cheers Darius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James90012 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) GNER MK4 | GNER MK4 Doncaster 24/02/2007 GNER | Rail Photo's Online | Flickr Here's one of Coach K with Restaurant and First logos - presumably that coach is next to the buffet in the rake. Coach M (and presumably L?) look to only have First Class. GNER MK4 | GNER MK4 York 19/03/2005 GNER | Rail Photo's Online | Flickr Edited June 1, 2022 by James90012 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiddles47 Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) When GNER refurbished all the fleet under “project Mallard” a lot of TSO’s were reclassified as FO’s to bring all the sets into the same formation. ( TSOE, TO TO TO TSOD, TBK, FO , FO FO, DVT) The buffet coaches were turned round so that the kitchens were next to the FO that was 1/2 restaurant, 1/2 FO. This is how the sets remain. In BR/Intercity days , when first introduced there weren’t enough M4’s to make up a full rake so some were 7+DVT and some 8+DVT. Eventually there were enough M4 TSO, to make up a full 9+DVT. The formation being. TSOE, TSO, TSO, TSO, TSO, TSOD, RFM, FO , FO, DVT (STANDARD FORMATION) and the others were TSOE, TSO, TSO, TSO, TSOD, RFM, FO FO FO DVT (PULLMAN FORMATION. ) I Believe Hornby Weill be doing the IC M4’s into an 8 car formation. The GNER coach lettering would be A, B, C, D, E, G ( or H )K, (restaurant) L, M ( unless anyone knows different, I’ll stand corrected) Edited June 1, 2022 by Tiddles47 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiddles47 said: When GNER refurbished all the fleet under “project Mallard” a lot of TSO’s were reclassified as FO’s to bring all the sets into the same formation. ( TSOE, TO TO TO TSOD, TBK, FO , FO FO, DVT) The buffet coaches were turned round so that the kitchens were next to the fo that was 1/2 restaurant, 1/2 FO. This is how the sets remain. In BR/Intercity days , when first introduced there weren’t enough M4’s to make up some were 7+DVT and some 8+DVT. Eventually there were enough M4 TSO, to make up a full 9+DVT. The formation being. TSOE, TSO, TSO, TSO, TSO, TSO, TSOD, RFM, FO , FO, DVT (STANDARD FORMATION) and the others were TSOD, TSO, TSO, TSO, TSOD, RFM, FO FO FO DVT (PULLMAN FORMATION. ) I Believe Hornby Weill be doing the IC M4’s into an 8 car formation. The GNER coach lettering would be A, B, C, D, E, G ( or H )K, (restaurant) L, M ( unless anyone knows different, I’ll stand corrected) I always thought this was a shame that the seated part of the Buffet car became standard class, and strange that the adjacent FO became half restaurant. If you were going to half half a restaurant car, why not keep it as built, within the same vehicle as the kitchen. In intercity days, the bulk of the 'dining' on regular services happened in the first class half of the Buffet car, and this is my one (and only) experience of intercity restaurant dining (and I remember we were asked to leave our 'first class' restaurant seats and return to our standard seats after we had finished eating... despite it only being about 45 minutes to Kings Cross at that time...) The models look excellent as engineered, but as @adamvb shows, the QC and production quality has some massive failings. Not good. Edited June 1, 2022 by G-BOAF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamvb Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 On 31/05/2022 at 16:38, adamvb said: Well the first MK4 has arrived (R40163 - GNER Coach K) - quite a few finish issues with the glazing and paint and what I assume are production tabs left intact on the bottom of the body - hopefully everyone elses are better! Just to update on this - Hornby were very quick to reply and have checked all other stock and it appears mine may have been a production reject that was packed by mistake. The coaches will be back in stock with Hornby on Monday all being well now they have been checked and they will process a replacement. Mistakes happen and they've been quick to respond which is great, and with all the other images on here and Facebook it appears I was just genuinely unlucky/it was a mistake - will update when the replacement arrives. 14 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeds Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 In fairness to them a great response. Mine arrived from KMRC on Saturday and is blemish-free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeds Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 On 06/06/2022 at 10:46, georgeds said: In fairness to them a great response. Mine arrived from KMRC on Saturday and is blemish-free. Seems I spoke too soon. Received the next 4 coaches and 3 of them have the glue runs around the window frames. Hoping my retailer has belmish free models to replace with. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamvb Posted June 24, 2022 Share Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) On 24/06/2022 at 09:29, georgeds said: Seems I spoke too soon. Received the next 4 coaches and 3 of them have the glue runs around the window frames. Hoping my retailer has belmish free models to replace with. Oh no! 7 more have arrived for me today and 2 of them have the blemishes around the windows again which is unfortunate (mine are coach E and M - which are yours?). I did get a replacement for my first coach and it was blemish free, but it did take a few calls and a couple of weeks with Hornby CS - hopefully these will be resolved quicker! Edited June 27, 2022 by adamvb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shunny Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 I have had word from Steve at Scoonie hobbies the my new DVT in LNER and TFW is due in the next 2 weeks at Hornby but no mention on GNER to match coaches already delivered 🤔 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackB95 Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 Mate of mine has said some of his LNER ones are in the post, including the DVT. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 When they get these returns that arent easy to correct what happens to em....in the bin or sold off cheap as factory seconds? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HExpressD Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 26 minutes ago, ThaneofFife said: When they get these returns that arent easy to correct what happens to em....in the bin or sold off cheap as factory seconds? Having been to their Visitors Centre before I know they have, or at least used to have, a reduced shelf, where you could pick up locos and rolling stock. Some was just old catalogue stuff but some items had a small amount of damage to either the box or the model like a missing buffer etc. If this is still going I'd assume it end up either there or the bin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoitsPlayer Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 3 hours ago, ThaneofFife said: When they get these returns that arent easy to correct what happens to em....in the bin or sold off cheap as factory seconds? I think they could try doing a "nearly perfect" sale like Bachmann do but this is Hornby and I can't see them trying it which is a shame . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoitsPlayer Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 I've spoken to a retailer who expects the Intercity Mk4 DVT to be despatched to customers in next 10 days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted August 17, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2022 TFW DVT and Mk4 coach arrived today 😊 Cheers Darius 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted August 17, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2022 Very smart - looks like the buffers need a tweak though :) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted August 17, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2022 16 minutes ago, Bucoops said: Very smart - looks like the buffers need a tweak though :) Tweaked. Cheers Darius 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse889 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 40 minutes ago, Darius43 said: TFW DVT and Mk4 coach arrived today 😊 Cheers Darius They look really nice. Thanks for sharing. I did preorder these rakes in the end as the 67 is ok and it avoids all the issues with the new Hornby 91, so looking forward to receiving mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackB95 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Excellent! Can't help but notice the light clusters on the DVT appear to be the older 'IOO OOI' style with the separate markers. Hornby very clearly stated that the 91 and DVT would have the correct light clusters to match the era modelled on each version (TfW having the modern LED ones). I have a funny feeling they've f'd this one up. Also same goes for the cab interiors with the forward-facing CCTV. This model appears to have missed that... I hate to be a moaner, but when you're paying a fair whack, and Hornby promise they're doing X Y Z about something, it's really boiling the wet stuff to see that they've messed up... again. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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