wainwright1 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Graham_Muz said: Going GER Bananas... with an SR flavour... my post on the GER vans on the SR can be read here https://southern-railway.com/2022/02/19/workbench-witterings15-going-bananas-with-a-great-eastern-flavour/ I wonder if Oxford may now do this variation ? All the best Ray 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulG Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 3 hours ago, wainwright1 said: I wonder if Oxford may now do this variation ? All the best Ray That is assuming Oxford Rail are going to produce anything new, otherthan that previously announced, now Scott Rhodes OR Brand Developer, has left the Company and they are now 100% owned by Hornby. Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted February 19, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2022 19 minutes ago, PaulG said: That is assuming Oxford Rail are going to produce anything new, other than that previously announced, Now that would be a shame as they are a Godsend to the cash strapped modeller. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted February 19, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, gwrrob said: Now that would be a shame as they are a Godsend to the cash strapped modeller. And they've picked a few things that can't be had in kit form. I'd like to see some more of the 12T tanks, renumbers and new liveries. It'd be nice if they sorted out the LNER cattle wagon, too. John 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted February 19, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2022 6 hours ago, markw said: But haven't you changed the wrong brake lever, the Morton clutch should be on the same side as the brake cylinder. Doh! I looked at it twice too and talked myself out of it... now corrected both on the model and my blog post. (it's why I usually stick to SR prototypes). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Even a few S,R, prototypes had Morton brakes, though ............................ yer can't win ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted February 19, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: Even a few S,R, prototypes had Morton brakes, though ............................ yer can't win ! It was not the use of Morton clutch itself that was the actual issue. In this instance Edited February 20, 2022 by Graham_Muz Wording amended to prevent confusing anyone 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 S.R. Wagons Vol.4, plate 22 for example ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted February 19, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: S.R. Wagons Vol.4, plate 22 for example ! I am not stating that the SR didn't use a Morton Clutch, it was not the clutch itself that was the issue relevant to my earlier pos re the GER wagon, just give it a rest. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Hattons advise me that my BR version is in transit. John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 On 26/02/2022 at 12:53, cctransuk said: Hattons advise me that my BR version is in transit. John Isherwood. ...... and duly arrived - looks perfectly acceptable to me; just a little lightweight. CJI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 hours ago, cctransuk said: ...... and duly arrived - looks perfectly acceptable to me; just a little lightweight. CJI. l need to remove the body to add some weight - do the buffers pull out to release the body? CJI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pteremy Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 There is a post in the GER 10T Van thread that say the following - though of course there may be a difference between the two. The GE van has headstocks as part of the body. The chassis is held in place by small projections inside the body engaging in recesses in the edge of the floor. These can just be seen above the axleguard. A knife blade or thin screwdriver blade worked in between the chassis and the inside edge of the side can be used to lever the side away and ease the chassis out. The buffers don't need removing, they appear to be glued in. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, Pteremy said: There is a post in the GER 10T Van thread that say the following - though of course there may be a difference between the two. The GE van has headstocks as part of the body. The chassis is held in place by small projections inside the body engaging in recesses in the edge of the floor. These can just be seen above the axleguard. A knife blade or thin screwdriver blade worked in between the chassis and the inside edge of the side can be used to lever the side away and ease the chassis out. The buffers don't need removing, they appear to be glued in. Thanks - I will investigate in due course. CJI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 That is correct for the banana van, John - mine popped apart with minimal fuss. The brake cross shaft also comes off so you can turn it round to rotate correctly ( a new cylinder arm will be needed). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dominion Posted March 1, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 1, 2022 Jonathan, what is your reasoning for wanting to turn the brake cross shaft around ? When I tried to introduce a representation of a Morton clutch on one side I at first thought the central rods were push rods. However Compound pointed out clasp brake normally had pull rods, not push. (Pg5 of this topic) I looked at a GE fitted van in Tatlow Volume1 pg. 205. (Not banana but fitted). That shows no Morton clutch when the vacuum cylinder is on the left. So I switched my Morton representation to the other side. The crank on the Oxford model would then be consistent with them being pull rods. The problem is I cant see the crank or the rods in that picture. Have you ever seen a set up where the crank could act above the cross shaft for both ends ? e.g. in pull mode to one set of clasp brakes and push mode to the other ? The drawing in "Yes we have no banana vans" by John Watling of the GERS (that PaulG posted on page 6 of this topic) looks like that may be how it worked if I am interpreting it correctly. Tom, (now perhaps more confused than before !) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Exactly that, Tom - as supplied, the lever action was pushing rather than pulling the brakes. I've pulled it apart now, but I can try to remember to take a picture when it's all back together. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Looking at gwrrrob's post on 25th Jan, it seems that the pull-rods are correctly orientated for the vac cylinder .... only the Morton cam arrangement is missing from the 'near' side ( as we know ) to confuse matters. Yes the "no bananas" drawing DOES show the brakes pulling one end and pushing t'other and must, therefore be WRONG ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 OK, everyone's been off this topic for a fortnight so let's go properly for a bit !!?! Those of you who've been paying attention will recall that - as Tatlow puts it - "... to assist the Southern Railway, it was arranged for 225 ... banana vans to be hired to the SR". He continues "... the SR in turn loaned the LNER the same number of covered goods vans.". Now, notwithstanding the difference between 'hired' and 'loaned', I can see no advantage to the LNER in having 225 extra Common User vehicles ..... is the advantage actually to the Southern by offsetting responsibility for maintenance of these vis-à-vis that of the banana vans ? - in which case they, too, must have been marked so Wagon Repairs ( or whoever ) knew who to invoice ! Is there any evidence that these vans - whatever they were - carried 'NE' markings or any other indication they weren't just bog standard Southern stock ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungrange Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 On 16/03/2022 at 21:36, Wickham Green too said: He continues "... the SR in turn loaned the LNER the same number of covered goods vans.". Now, notwithstanding the difference between 'hired' and 'loaned', I can see no advantage to the LNER in having 225 extra Common User vehicles .... Were the covered goods vans fitted or unfitted? Whilst unfitted covered goods vans had been common user vehicles since 1919, I thought it was the late 1930s before fitted vans also became common user, so at the date of agreement, they may not have been common user vehicles. Obviously since these banana vans entered traffic in 1923, they are not suitable for the pre-grouping period, but did the Great Eastern railway have any unfitted non-ventilated vans similar to the Diagram 72 ventilated vans that this vehicle could be backdated to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 21, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2023 8 hours ago, Dungrange said: Whilst unfitted covered goods vans had been common user vehicles since 1919, I thought it was the late 1930s before fitted vans also became common user, so at the date of agreement, they may not have been common user vehicles. All companies, covered vans (unfitted), 3 June 1919 LMS, LNER, SR & Met, covered vans (fitted with vacuum brake), 9 Oct 1936 GWR ditto, 5 Sept 1939 All companies, banana vans, insulated meat vans, etc., 11 Nov 1940 [Tatlow, LNER Wagons Vol. 4A] 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Must say I'm intrigued by the implication that the MET had some 'covered vans (fitted with vacuum brake)' ............... but that's way off topic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 25, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: Must say I'm intrigued by the implication that the MET had some 'covered vans (fitted with vacuum brake)' ............... but that's way off topic. I expect it just means that the Met could use other companies' fitted vans without by-your-leave (GW excepted). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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