Aire Head Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Can anyone identify the non corridor stock shown in the images below taken from a video showing Keighley Station in 1956. It appears to be a matching set of coaches. The Composite appears to have the first class at one end rather than in the middle and appears to consist of 7 compartments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 8I'm going to stick my neck out and say Midland, based on the duckets and the fact that that it's a BT/C/BT set, it appears to be close coupled and it matches the description if not exactly the actual drawings of the various Manchester, Birmingham, Sheffield, Metropolitan and Nottingham sets on pages 98/99 of 'Historic Carriage Drawings'. 4 compt BT matches as does the 7 compt composite, although it shoild be 4 first 3 third. They're the Ratio coaches, exvept the layout of the brake compartments doesn't quite match the drawing. Jenkinson gives extinction dates around 1957-9 for most of them. Edited February 7, 2021 by Wheatley 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Wheatley said: I'm going to stick my neck out and say Midland, based on the duckets and the fact that that it's a BT/C/BT set, it appears to be close coupled and it matches the description if not exactly the actual drawings of the various Manchester, Birmingham, Sheffield, Metropolitan and Nottingham sets on pages 98/99 of 'Historic Carriage Drawings'. I agree that the brake Thirds match the types used in the Birmingham and Nottingham sets. I can't identify the composite from those listed on the LMS Society site but it comes from the same family. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 It looks to me like the Nottingham District set drawn in Lacy and Dow Volume 2, even to the asymmetric arrangement of doors and windows in the brake sections. The composites are drawn with 4 first class compartments at one end, but only three "1"s are visible, but I suspect that the fourth compartment has been downgraded to 3rd, presumably to match demand - a subterfuge that many lines adopted as their stock aged and traffic patterns shifted. Knowing thrid class passengers would head for the ex-firsts hoping for a bit of extra comfort. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted February 8, 2021 Author Share Posted February 8, 2021 I guess the next logical question is are these available in 4MM? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2021 10 hours ago, Nick Holliday said: The composites are drawn with 4 first class compartments at one end, but only three "1"s are visible, but I suspect that the fourth compartment has been downgraded to 3rd, There were some drawings of Midland suburban Composites with three 1st and four 3rd class compartments linked on the LMS society website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 8, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2021 Possibly this one to D554 www.lmssociety.org.uk/MidlandRailwayCoaches/D554.tif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Aire Head said: I guess the next logical question is are these available in 4MM? Hopefully TSE will correct me if I'm wrong, but Ratio do these or something close as kits. Their ref 714 for the 4 compt brake third, and 711 for the composite (which is actually a first with the third class compartments reduced in length by internal partitions according to Jenkinson). The kits represent the 8'6" wide version with 10'0" bogies, others were 9'0" wide and/or with 8'0" bogies. It's quite an attractive set and I like the Ratio kits, I wonder if any ended up in SW Scotland ? :-) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2021 Looking at the GA drawings the Ratio 4-compartment BT looks right. As you say the Midland used false partitions to make the 3rds in the composite smaller within the same body. I don't have the book but IIRC they built at least 3, 4 and 5 first class compartment versions in the same body to suit requirements in different areas. The 8'6" wide coaches are shown as excursion stock on some lists, presumably because they could be used on other lines with tighter clearances. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 Thanks. I suspected the Ratio kits would suffice but wanted to be 100% sure first. Should make for a nice little modelling project. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipT Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 The end view of the brake looks to me to be 9ft wide (sides are wider at the waist than at the roof line) whereas the Ratio kits are for 8ft 6in stock where the upper sides are vertical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) Yes, they're only correct for some of the numerous variants, it may be necessary to shorten bogies or make new ends for others. Edited February 11, 2021 by Wheatley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted February 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Wheatley said: Yes, they're only correct for some of the numerous variants, "Generic?" 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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