Halvarras Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I have often read that the Mainline/Bachmann Class 42 Warship only truly represents D813-29/31/32, or even D813-17/19-29/31/32 (the latter at least acknowledging that D818 was different from the rest). I also believed this myself, until I found a comment on RMWeb about a year ago (which I cannot now find again) to the effect that Mainline's research for the model was conducted on D818 Glory at Swindon Works. This would make sense - it was out in the open with plenty of space around it, it wasn't going anywhere (for a few years anyway.....) and since only the exterior was important its internal state didn't matter. But of course it begs the question - did its unique Spanner Mark III horizontal train heating boiler, presumably an evaluation for use in the upcoming Western class diesels, have an impact on the exterior? After a lot a searching for elusive roof views the answer is, yes it did - Glory's centre roof panel was unique to it. The normal arrangement for the Stone Vapor OK4616-boilered locos, D813-17/19-65, was a louvre above the nameplate on one side and a small rectangular meshed port in the middle of the other side of the centre roof panel. On D818 the latter was covered by a rivetted panel with a hole in one end, and another rectangular meshed port was installed on the 'louvre' side, offset to the right in side view - this can be discerned on page 70 of the colour album 'The Heyday of the Warships'. The Mainline/Bachmann Class 42 body has this layout, and interestingly so does the Fleischmann HO model, indicating that they followed the same path, and of course went on to produce a model of 818 itself in the final blue livery variant. Some photos of 818 Glory on 3/9/75 and just before the gates opened for the Swindon Works Open Day on 13/9/75.......what a difference 10 days make! And one from the top of the water tank above the Pattern Store - a shame this is not sharper, I know Works photographer Roy Nash has a better one.....even so, if 818 had the standard arrangement the boiler port should be as visible on this side as it is on D1062 Western Courier in the background; the blanking panel with hole disguises it. (A note on the view - the turntable is still there but all of the visible infrastructure was swept away to create the West Car Park for the MacArthur Glenn Outlet Centre - astonishing)....... When I combined five Mainline Warship bodies with Lima chassis in the 1990s - three Class 42s and two Class 43s - I was aware of the different engine exhausts and train heating boiler vent arrangements for D800-12/866-70 but nothing else, because clear roof views were very difficult to find, so I'm now aware that these have a few roof errors (yes I still have them). As it happens I have just been working on a couple of Bachmann Class 42s to produce Swindon D827 Kelly in green SYP and NBL D856 Trojan in plain green, and as I have a spare D823, as well as a blue Class 43, I took the opportunity to take this view of the modifications I have undertaken with my new-found knowledge! From top to bottom: Class 43 (model as supplied - Stone Vapor boiler compartment roof panel: common to D813-17/19-65) Class 42 (model as supplied - Spanner Mark III: D818 only) Class 42 (modified - Swindon D813-17/19-29/31/32) Class 42 (modified to Class 43 - NBL D833-65) The rubbed-down Milliput filler shows where various orifices have been filled in. The Class 43 engine exhausts are Shawplan Class 37/40/50 etched brass horn grilles over drilled holes, as used on my previous such conversions - they look the part even if a little undersized. Move them back 5mm and inboard 2mm (my own estimations based on photos) and they'll do D830 as well. I've left lips around the opened-up rectangular boiler ports but may file these away as the Bachmann Class 43 is correct in this being flush. Two other differences I wasn't aware of over 20 years ago were the two types of roof fan grilles (flush with raised walkways on Swindon's locos, all raised on Glasgow's - with a few 'cross-over' exceptions - not that I could have done much about it) and the absence of the two square ports on the latter - I believe these were only relevant to Maybach engines which required pre-heating prior to start-up, neither the MAN engines nor D830's Paxmans required this so no square ports. Since I don't intend to replace the roof fans, and I can't raise the fans up on D856, I've created a visual difference by filing the lip on the walkways down level with their mesh (a little further filing required I think) - best I can do without major surgery! For reference, a view of the roof of the Fleischmann model (internet photo) - compare to the second one down above. D818 definitely has a lot to answer for! : And finally, whilst on the subject of Warships, a front-end comparison - on the middle one, note the difference painting the 'groove' between the windscreens and picking out the wipers in black makes, this requires a fine brush and a steady hand, but it helps to have a couple of cocktail sticks with ends cut into a chisel shape to push any 'overspill' back into shape. IMHO it now looks a little more at home alongside the Class 43. Well, from the front anyway......... The older model's lower valances are easy to fit if a chamfer is filed along the inside edge of the top lugs, this helps guide them into the slots in the underframe. The two I've just done were such a good fit, clicking firmly into place, I didn't bother with glue. The coupling shackle is Hornby's R7200, again a straight push fit not requiring glue. Impressed that the hooks are metal on these. One last tip - removing the Class 42's bogie frames to unscrew the tension lock couplings is simple - screwdriver in the slot at the inner end, lever off the lug, wiggle about a bit and off it pops. Reverse procedure to put it back on again (screwdriver not required!) I hope some part of this is of interest, perhaps even useful! 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainshed Terry Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 That has made for an itresting read. Terry. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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