RMweb Premium Crepello Posted November 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 26, 2021 Maybe a daft question but do these work on ballasted track? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold zr2498 Posted November 27, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2021 19 hours ago, Crepello said: Maybe a daft question but do these work on ballasted track? Good question. The old Peco loco lifts were OK for that = see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGusczVuxJ8&t=91s but the new lifts may have a different profile especially ay the ends, so ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted November 27, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) I've probably missed it, but is there a length quoted for the new peco lifts? I can't find it on the rails splurge... Best Scott. Edited November 27, 2021 by scottystitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MikeB Posted November 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 28, 2021 22 hours ago, scottystitch said: I've probably missed it, but is there a length quoted for the new peco lifts? I can't find it on the rails splurge... Best Scott. No, unusually for Peco they do not seem to have provided basic information such as how long these are, in cm or even inches, but merely say that a single unit will accept an OO 0-6-0T or a N scale pacific. Are they trying to hide the fact that the basic single unit is much shorter than the old loco-lift? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, MikeB said: Are they trying to hide the fact that the basic single unit is much shorter than the old loco-lift? Hardly hiding anything when they’ve published photos plus said a single one will take a tank loco and a double is required for a tender loco! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted November 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2021 Am I the only one who thinks Loco Lift is a misleading name? I now learn you have to run the loco onto the thing, rather than simply lowering the Lift onto the rails and squeezing. Misleading, and a very great deal less use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MikeB Posted November 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: Hardly hiding anything when they’ve published photos plus said a single one will take a tank loco and a double is required for a tender loco! Yes, not totally hidden but not as helpful or clear as it could be. A Bemo ABe 4/4 III is 196mm long - will that fit on a single unit? What about a 168 mm ABe 4/4 I? If Peco gave an actual track length, I would know, rather than having to guess from working out the length of a N gauge diesel and guessing how tight the fit from a picture. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, MikeB said: Yes, not totally hidden but not as helpful or clear as it could be. A Bemo ABe 4/4 III is 196mm long - will that fit on a single unit? What about a 168 mm ABe 4/4 I? If Peco gave an actual track length, I would know, rather than having to guess from working out the length of a N gauge diesel and guessing how tight the fit from a picture. I’ve pinged their designer a message via another forum and I’m sure he will share if allowed to by the publicity dept. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2021 That was well timed he was online! They are 6 inches long with open ends and approx 5 inches with the end doors in if using it for storage. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted November 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2021 58 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: That was well timed he was online! They are 6 inches long with open ends and approx 5 inches with the end doors in if using it for storage. So, working on the principle that if you join two together they will be an average of 5.5 inches each, it is touch and go whether you would get a class 40 in one, and a Deltic / 66 etc. would be a no go. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted November 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2021 54 minutes ago, Roy Langridge said: So, working on the principle that if you join two together they will be an average of 5.5 inches each, it is touch and go whether you would get a class 40 in one, and a Deltic / 66 etc. would be a no go. Roy Agreed. A Farish class 40 is quoted as (145mm) 5.708" (I don't know if that includes length of couplings) which suggests, for storage with the ends on at least, the loco lift will be too short... Best Scott. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, scottystitch said: Agreed. A Farish class 40 is quoted as (145mm) 5.708" (I don't know if that includes length of couplings) which suggests, for storage with the ends on at least, the loco lift will be too short... Best Scott. How very unfortunate, you’d think they would take a typical loco be it steam or diesel in N. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium RichardT Posted November 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 28, 2021 6 hours ago, Oldddudders said: Am I the only one who thinks Loco Lift is a misleading name? I now learn you have to run the loco onto the thing, rather than simply lowering the Lift onto the rails and squeezing. Misleading, and a very great deal less use. Didn't you also have to run the loco onto the old-style loco lift with squeezy sides? Richard T 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 28, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 28, 2021 7 hours ago, Oldddudders said: Am I the only one who thinks Loco Lift is a misleading name? I now learn you have to run the loco onto the thing, rather than simply lowering the Lift onto the rails and squeezing. Misleading, and a very great deal less use. Think of it like a normal lift, you have to walk into those first Or the Anderton boat lift. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted November 29, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2021 11 hours ago, PaulRhB said: Think of it like a normal lift, you have to walk into those first Or the Anderton boat lift. I can see it has cassette-style advantages for layouts, particularly exhibition layouts, where those are or would be used. But for layouts where some of the fiddle yard is a dead end, it does not provide the opportunity to lift and reverse a loco I had hoped for, unless previously placed in situ. I tend to run a sequence of trains, with cctv to guide me on fiddle yard stopping points, then duck under to the yard to reset things. Never mind. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted November 29, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: I tend to run a sequence of trains, with cctv to guide me on fiddle yard stopping points, then duck under to the yard to reset things. Never mind. I think the only way you could make that work would be for the dead-end siding to be a loco length longer (actually slightly longer still) than it otherwise needed to be. You could then rock up to the siding, place the lift, uncouple the locomotive and drive it on. That doesn't help if the existing sidings are already sized to fit, or there is and/or there is no scope to extend them. For my part I think I will purchase one and see for myself, in the flesh, so to speak. Best Scott. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium RichardT Posted November 29, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2021 5 hours ago, scottystitch said: For my part I think I will purchase one and see for myself, in the flesh, so to speak. Yep. Can’t beat real-world experimentation. Just ordered a double set from my favoured pusher to see how they work for N in practice. Richard T 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted November 29, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 29, 2021 On 26/11/2021 at 13:14, zr2498 said: Roy They look great and there is currently the 15% off until 3rd Jan. My only concern is the grade of foam used. Is it the non degrading type. The company has existed since 1994 and I have not seen any complaints about the foam used. My oldest ones ae 4 years old, they show no signs of degradation but then at that age I would hope not!. Roy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold zr2498 Posted December 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2021 A video from Peco re new lifts. It does say a limit of 4 units in length Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Video seems to confirm the lengths quoted by Hattons of 150mm / 300mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold deepfat Posted December 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2021 I note it says in the video that you can only join 4 together so 600mm. However I am going to try for 1200mm with some after market alterations assuming that Peco ever ship these Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Kernow have them in stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted December 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2021 On 18/12/2021 at 19:49, Butler Henderson said: Video seems to confirm the lengths quoted by Hattons of 150mm / 300mm A Farish class 40 is 153mm over the couplings, so they should just fit and no more, ditto a Pacific. Best Scott. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted December 21, 2021 Author Share Posted December 21, 2021 30 minutes ago, scottystitch said: A Farish class 40 is 153mm over the couplings, so they should just fit and no more, ditto a Pacific. Best Scott. They'll fit unless you want to put the shutters down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted December 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2021 Just now, woodenhead said: They'll fit unless you want to put the shutters down I wonder if the bottom of the shutters/end-plates could be "notched" to accommodate the couplers? Best Scott. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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