cctransuk Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 1 hour ago, 45568 said: I was not aware of the Conflat B by Hornby, any chance of a pic. and part # etc. please? Cheers from Oz, Peter C. Was it not just a generic PLATE-type wagon carrying a container, lettered as a CONFLAT? I certainly don't recall anything other than the Trix CONFLAT B that resembled the prototype. CJI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giz Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 (edited) Would it be this one? http://www.hornbyguide.com/item_details.asp?itemid=202 https://www.hattons.co.uk/69890/hornby_r017_ln_01_flat_wagon_with_freightliner_pre_owned_like_new/stockdetail Edited May 20, 2022 by giz Hattons link added 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, cctransuk said: Was it not just a generic PLATE-type wagon carrying a container, lettered as a CONFLAT? I certainly don't recall anything other than the Trix CONFLAT B that resembled the prototype. CJI. The underframe was a new tooling; a very good representation of the 12' wheelbase, 8-shoe VB underframe, as used on Minfits and various other types. The ones I remember were issued with 20' Freightliner boxes. I don't know if they subsequently used the slightly longer Plate wagon/ oil tank chassis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, Fat Controller said: The underframe was a new tooling; a very good representation of the 12' wheelbase, 8-shoe VB underframe, as used on Minfits and various other types. The ones I remember were issued with 20' Freightliner boxes. I don't know if they subsequently used the slightly longer Plate wagon/ oil tank chassis. It's the body that intrigues me - was it a proper CONFLAT B with chain pockets, etc? CJI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, cctransuk said: It's the body that intrigues me - was it a proper CONFLAT B with chain pockets, etc? CJI. Looking at those photos, I'd say not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Fat Controller said: Looking at those photos, I'd say not. Sorry - overlooked the photo links. Definately a figment of someone's imagination at Hornby. Why? It would have been just as easy to tool a genuine CONFLAT B - if only the designer had known that such a prototype existed. Together with an equally simple-to-tool, correct length container - which could authentically be liveried as BIRDS EYE, MACFISHERIES or BR - Hornby could still be knocking out large numbers of accurate CONFLAT Bs, and we might have been spared Bachman's spurious BIRDS EYE livery on the wrong container. Such is life! 🥺 John Isherwood. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveyDee68 Posted May 20, 2022 Author Share Posted May 20, 2022 13 hours ago, 45568 said: I was not aware of the Conflat B by Hornby, any chance of a pic. and part # etc. please? Cheers from Oz, Peter C. Apparently it was Hornby R017 and looks as below (note that it is incorrectly labelled as a Conflat A) - 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 So.......here we have an existing container tooling on a newly-tooled but fictitious flat wagon body on a newly-tooled and potentially useful underframe........which was never used under anything else? Perhaps the investment would have been better spent on a proper EE bogie frame moulding for the Class 37.......(sorry, I can't help measuring all of Hornby's questionable tooling decisions against this travesty....!🤔) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveyDee68 Posted June 5, 2022 Author Share Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) So … Feeling like I might have won the Thicky McThick Award 2022 … I now have six of these spurious Hornby “Conflat B” wagons … The underframes are correct, but not for a Conflat B wagon … So I have six underframes suitable to go under a different type of body, one of which is a Minfit - which appears to be a big coal wagon … Other types have been mentioned, but I don’t know what those are (I am no expert in wagon underframes) The bodywork is fictional and fit only for landfill… Does anybody do a Conflat B wagon kit? Or can anybody suggest how to go about adapting other kits etc? I misread the comment about the accurate underframe way back when, hence my purchase of said Hornby wagons thinking that the underframes were correct for a Conflat B … Just call me Thicky McThick! HOURS OF FUN? Edited June 7, 2022 by SteveyDee68 Corrected an autocorrected error! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 12 hours ago, SteveyDee68 said: Does anybody do a Conflat B wagon kit? In short - no; though Genesis Kits used to do a whitemetal kit; (Ebay and patience)? Alternatively, Peco / Parkside PIPE wagon kit chassis plus cut-and-shut body from Peco / Parkside CONFLAT A bodies - been there, done that. (Parkside used to supply chassis and body sprues separately - I believe that Peco still do so). I'll leave others to suggest alternative uses for the Hornby 'Conflat B' chassis! John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveyDee68 Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 Thank you @cctransuk (John) - your reply is exactly the kind of guidance I needed to point me in the right direction of suitable materials for creating these wagons. Meanwhile, I have suggested to several more laser kit producers and 3D designers that an AFP container might be of general interest (fingers crossed!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, SteveyDee68 said: @cctransuk .... I have suggested to ..... 3D designers that an AFP container might be of general interest (fingers crossed!) Hmmm. I might just know a man who can! ...... and a CONFLAT B would be within his area of interest. I will post further if there's something to report. (I assume that you are aware that I produce transfers for the CONFLAT B and the AFP container)? John Isherwood, Cambridge Custom Transfers. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveyDee68 Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 1 hour ago, cctransuk said: I assume that you are aware that I produce transfers for the CONFLAT B and the AFP container Absolutely - hence my desire for reasonably priced* models upon which to place them! 😁 Steve S * By which I mean not Shapeways!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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