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Great news, have been hoping for these for a while. 

 

Bit of discussion earlier on about how often they were seen in Scotland and about allocation.  I think there was a reference to some being allocated to Scotland.  I've had a look at my 1985, 86, 87 and 88 Platform 5. There are 5 or 6 TSO allocations to Scottish locations in the 88 one.  Possibly 5 at IS and 1 at PC.

 

I've attached photos if it is of interest to anyone.

 

I may get a couple to include in my 1985/86 Cross Country portion trains as I'm sure I've seen 2b or 2c amongst DE and Fs arrivimg at Waverley back then.  And (if produced) a couple of Mk2c coaches to include in my internal Scottish services.

 

I've included the 2c in eager anticipation.

 

1985

 

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1986

 

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1987

 

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1988

 

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1988 continued

 

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49 minutes ago, Waverley47708 said:

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I may get a couple to include in my 1985/86 Cross Country portion trains as I'm sure I've seen 2b or 2c amongst DE and Fs arrivimg at Waverley back then.  And (if produced) a couple of Mk2c coaches to include in my internal Scottish services.

 

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I seem to remember that the inter-regionals that visited Bournemouth and Poole up until the late 80s (including some from Scotland) were somewhat more defined in their coach formations. It was either Mk2 non-aircon (2, 2a, 2b or 2c) with Mk1s for BG and Buffet; or aircon (I believe Mk2Ds mostly, though I wouldn't be surprised if some Es and Fs got mixed in occasionally) with Mk1s for BG and Buffet. Occasionally there would be a relief composed entirely of Mk1s. I don't remember seeing any with a mix of Mk2 non-aircon with aircon, but I stand to be corrected.

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A couple of people have already asked this but I've seen no reply to the question, as a modern image modeller this release as brilliant as they look doesn't fit into my era. However if you guys were to produce the riviera mk2 generator or the royal train ones that would be very interesting. I know that 17105 has undergone quite a few alterations but  I think it would be quite a good seller?

 

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Chris

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25 minutes ago, XChris said:

A couple of people have already asked this but I've seen no reply to the question, as a modern image modeller this release as brilliant as they look doesn't fit into my era. However if you guys were to produce the riviera mk2 generator or the royal train ones that would be very interesting. I know that 17105 has undergone quite a few alterations but  I think it would be quite a good seller?

 

Cheers 

Chris

 

Hi Chris,

 

It is not in our plans at this time but who knows what future runs may bring?

 

Cheers!

 

Fran 

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Need to be careful with P5’s… coaches do travel.

 

Here is 5401.., clearly marked as SC.

it is however on Manchester Blackpools, with a loco I really would like Accurascale to consider..  5401 however it is also not a mk2b … however 1988 book above suggests it Is.

 

Additionally its allocation is Inverness, by 1991 its in “Provincial” at Liverpool, which is also incorrect, it was “Regional Railways”.. Mk2’s were either “Trans Pennine”, or “Regional Railways”..  The difference, aside of text was the shade of light grey at the bottom, it was slightly darker on TP, and lighter on RR.

 

P5 named Provincial for mk2’s as this is what was used for Sprinters, up until the Regional Railways name was revealed… they later amended “P” to “RR” in livery codes..because the livery on the Sprinters themselves was slightly tweaked, by modifying the light blue line at the cab ends to include narrow white stripes and changing “Sprinter” to “Regional Railways”.

 

I dont ever recall seeing TP mk2’s on Manchester club trains, nor did I see P livery on a mk2 without “Regional Railways” branding* (* there was a Scotrail rack in RR livery).… I suspect it was a publication timing issue.. P5 probably knew “Provincial” was coming to mk2’s but not neccessarily the rebranding by the time it went to press, as the Regional Railways branding appeared in the spring, about the same time P5 was published.

 

However… Coming back to SC 5401.. it was neither P or RR in 1991.. as can be seen below.. it was still Blue.

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I have a similar query, Blue Grey FK 13550.. ive a picture of in Winter 1989 at Glasgow  Queen St, attached to a blue 26043 in December 1989.. its not in either Ian Allen or P5 going back as far as 1986. The date is undeniable after 1989.. a Strathclyde 156 is next to it, and 26043 went Dutch a few months later. I do have a reference to a downgraded SK 7550 (renumbered from 13550) in Scotrail livery in 1987, after which its gone, but its clearly not that, was it upgraded again ?.. either way it escaped the books.

 

ive been looking over not just my platform 5’s but also my spotting notes for 1989-1991 this weekend, ive come up with several formations, but those pesky mk2bs certainly were hiding.. Ive only found 2 in at least 30 day out jollies, 1 in Inverness, another in a rake at Chester, my spots must be quite old.

 

Coming to the downgraded mk2b FKs ive no evidence of them on a Manchester Blackpool (which living in Bolton at the time not only puts it on my route, but loco hauled was my target)… not to say it didnt happen.. my P5 shows them all underlined, and not just on a renumber, and I definitely had a memory as a teenager sitting down in a coach that didnt say 1st class, but sitting in a first class seat, then jumping up to leave it a but confused as the ticket collector was coming.. and noticing 1st had been scraped off a window… I will keep looking, but have to go back a but further. I suspect those mk2b FK downgrades were at the early phase when it was Railfreight locos, during the 155 crisis, not the RR 31/4 and 37/4’s of the early 90’s during the 2xPacer crises or the 153 conversions.

 

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Here are a couple of late 1970s trains including 2b stock:

 

5958533925_636f815006_c.jpg47541_SkeltonJct_0725-Plymouth-Edinburgh_4-9-78 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr

 

4847019356_0a61a37413_c.jpg47498_1023-Penz-Leeds_ClayCross_30-8-79 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr

 

This is the closest I have found so far to a full Mark 2b set - the TSO(T) is a 2c and it's possible that one or both of the BFKs are 2a but all the TSOs are 2b:

 

7597167100_c845d6d50d_c.jpg47064_YeovilJct_24-8-80 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr

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4 hours ago, Waverley47708 said:

Great news, have been hoping for these for a while. 

 

Bit of discussion earlier on about how often they were seen in Scotland and about allocation.  I think there was a reference to some being allocated to Scotland.  I've had a look at my 1985, 86, 87 and 88 Platform 5. There are 5 or 6 TSO allocations to Scottish locations in the 88 one.  Possibly 5 at IS and 1 at PC.

 

I've attached photos if it is of interest to anyone.

 

I may get a couple to include in my 1985/86 Cross Country portion trains as I'm sure I've seen 2b or 2c amongst DE and Fs arrivimg at Waverley back then.  And (if produced) a couple of Mk2c coaches to include in my internal Scottish services.

 

I've included the 2c in eager anticipation.

 

1985

 

20210830_091555.jpg.84ebdf609414df5190758a80464478eb.jpg

 

1986

 

20210830_091612.jpg.37c9fed2ba14515e3781248c65835f12.jpg

 

1987

 

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1988

 

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1988 continued

 

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That's perfect thanks.

I'll probably be in for a couple and wait patiently to see what comes in the future. 

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Hi everyone,

 

Some Mark 2B action on North West services from our senior project manager! 

 

47018 16.20 Manchester Victoria-Blackpool North 27.07.1988 - Declassified Mk.2c SK, declassified Mk.2a SK, declassified Mk.2b SK, Mk.1 BG

47018 - Croston Road, Farington.

 

Nottingham-Blackpool North 1989 - Second coach is a Mk.2b TSO, with two Mk.2c TSO(T) and more Mk.2b or 2c towards the rear of the train

47407 leaves Chesterfield

 

Manchester Victoria-Southport 28.05.1991 - First coach is an ex-NSE Mk.2b TSO

37430 Appley Bridge 28-05-1991

 

17.14 Manchester Victoria-Blackpool North 18.05.1992 - Third coach is Mk.2b TSO, last coach is a Mk.2c BSO

37415 17.14 Manchester Victoria-Blackpool, Salwick 18.05.1992

 

Cheers!

 

Fran 

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4 hours ago, adb968008 said:

I suspect those mk2b FK downgrades were at the early phase when it was Railfreight locos, during the 155 crisis,

 

 

 

58 minutes ago, Accurascale Fran said:

Hi everyone,

 

Some Mark 2B action on North West services from our senior project manager! 

 

47018 16.20 Manchester Victoria-Blackpool North 27.07.1988 - Declassified Mk.2c SK, declassified Mk.2a SK, declassified Mk.2b SK, Mk.1 BG

47018 - Croston Road, Farington.

 

Thanks you just confirmed what i was looking for there….

1988 was the summer of fun !

 

In which case these declassified’s could be used legitimately with 20’s, 31/1, 37/5, 47/0,  47/3, 56 and 60 in rakes of 3 or 4..

 

I will dig into the garage later for the older books, I may have some legitimate set formations with numbers, and freight locos!

 

in the mean time heres one of those “Thirty One Inside loco Expect Trouble” moments, with mk2b 5452 in NSE as the lead coach..

 

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are these coaches mk2b’s ? This is the Crewe Works test train, used for testing brand new class 90’s…I didnt collect departmentals back then, so no idea the numbers.

 

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4 hours ago, robertcwp said:

This is the closest I have found so far to a full Mark 2b set - the TSO(T) is a 2c and it's possible that one or both of the BFKs are 2a but all the TSOs are 2b:

 

7597167100_c845d6d50d_c.jpg47064_YeovilJct_24-8-80 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr

 

No consistency in the positioning of the Inter-City branding on those two BFKs (the first far left, the second to the right of the first door). I don't think that can be used as an indicator of type.

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On 28/08/2021 at 11:42, Wickham Green too said:

Any chance this technology will be made available separately ? - for us to add to vehicles you're never going to produce yourselves ( Though who knows what that word 'never' means in an Accurascale context ? ).


I'd second this, a magnetic wand lighting strip to add to the obligatory Mk1 food cart would be a good idea.  Hornby are making their "magni-light" strips for their generic 4 and 6 wheelers available as a separate item but being for dinky short coaches you'd need two for a Mk1.

Go one Accurascale, you'll probably get more than the 10% discount you offer for multi-buys on your webshop back if you sell the lighting as an accessory.  Win win.

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2 hours ago, brushman47544 said:

 

No consistency in the positioning of the Inter-City branding on those two BFKs (the first far left, the second to the right of the first door). I don't think that can be used as an indicator of type.

I don't think it helps either. By the date of the photo, I think only around four 2b BFKs remained in service so the odds favour one or both being 2a.

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3 hours ago, wombatofludham said:


I'd second this, a magnetic wand lighting strip to add to the obligatory Mk1 food cart would be a good idea.  Hornby are making their "magni-light" strips for their generic 4 and 6 wheelers available as a separate item but being for dinky short coaches you'd need two for a Mk1.

Go one Accurascale, you'll probably get more than the 10% discount you offer for multi-buys on your webshop back if you sell the lighting as an accessory.  Win win.

Ive got to admit it would helpful in maintaining a consistent set of lighting in a set, where Accurascale hasn’t made the other vehicles… especially when those other vehicles dont have lighting.

 

Having those bogies as a spare part might be nice too.

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6 hours ago, Wickham Green too said:

They only need to do a Power Car ! ....... these are already in the portfolio ! : - 

 

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754 - one time 811

 

True, but that is a non typical consist. The 80 class centre car had a centre door and the driving trailer was different from the Enterprise driving trailer having passenger accommodation right up to the bulkhead of the driver's cab.

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45 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said:

True, but that is a non typical consist. The 80 class centre car had a centre door and the driving trailer was different from the Enterprise driving trailer having passenger accommodation right up to the bulkhead of the driver's cab.

Sorry, I forgot to add the tongue in cheek emoji !

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9 hours ago, Wickham Green too said:

Sorry, I forgot to add the tongue in cheek emoji !

No need for that emoji!  Here’s a 80 class set entering Ballymoney with an ex-Enterprise Mk2B Driving Trailer and the middle coach also a ex-Enterprise Mk2B open!

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10 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said:

The former-loco-hauled combination had to happen occasionally.

 

That photo illustrates a minor pitfall awaiting Accurascale ...... they'll have to issue each Driving Trailer with a selection of different liveried gangway covers ! :scratchhead:

 

We froth a bit too much over those gangway covers in IRM Towers. Some of them are very cool designs! 

 

Cheers

 

Fran 

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30 minutes ago, Accurascale Fran said:

Hi everyone,

 

We will certainly look into the lighting kit and bogie packs and if it is practical we will certainly offer them.

 

Cheers!

 

Fran 

I would certainly look to retro fit a lot of Bachmann mk1/2's!

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