Going2theDogs Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) Hi All, I am interested in the recent announcements regarding the SEA covered steel wagons that will be available in a couple of variants. Having looked at Paul Bartlett’s impressive on line library there are some excellent examples as inspiration for weathering (I know there are weathered variants available too). However, a question I have is would these run in multiple in a rake or as single wagons as part of a speed link service or is it possibly both. Any photographic evidence gratefully received. Edited November 11, 2021 by CB Rail 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 From what I remember, they ran as mixed 'Metals Sector' workings, alongside various other steel carriers, such as SPAs, BDAs and even BRA (Borails, rather than hooded coils) 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMafia Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 There was some discussion in the Bachmann announcement thread about the hoods being the wrong type, and maybe too tall. Here's one I didn't make earlier: It's also a shame the Cardiff Rod Mill one isn't available unweathered unless you get the grey wagon. May go down this avenue if the hood is ok. A pleasing announcement all the same as these did appear at Northam yard (Southampton) and Hamworthy to occasionally. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slg Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 This is a link to a picture of 3 wagons at Hamworthy. https://www.flickr.com/photos/justinfoulger/49850405228/ As for long trains of these covers I only remember them in mixed rakes maybe 3 or 4 at a time. Other than that the spa's ran in long rakes of 20+ sometimes covered in sheets sometimes not. http://www.hondawanderer.com/37229_Fiddington_1987.htm 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse889 Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 21 hours ago, CB Rail said: I am interested in the recent announcements regarding the SEA covered steel wagons that will be available in a couple of variants. However, a question I have is would these run in multiple in a rake or as single wagons as part of a speed link service or is it possibly both. Any photographic evidence gratefully received. I had the same thoughts and question, and came across this group on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/183142496@N04/albums/72157710350566996/with/49935963176/ It's actually pretty good for reference for steel trains in general, but there are a few gems specific to the SEA/SPAs, for example: https://www.flickr.com/photos/183142496@N04/49574343698/in/album-72157710350566996/ Hope you find something suitably inspiring....! 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going2theDogs Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 Hi All, Thanks to sig & scouse889. Some great images. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) Metal Box at Westhoughton used to get a variety of short and mixed trains which could include covered and uncovered wagons. Sometimes just a single vehicle from Cardiff to Bolton, never saw more than a half dozen or so, but if it was a half dozen, it was a mixed consist usually with a speedlink van in their somewhere. Used to produce a 37/7 or a 37/9. Edited November 11, 2021 by adb968008 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Kernow are show these as in stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opelsi Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 I have a couple of these now courtesy of Cornwall. Question - did the SEA ever run without the hoods on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Opelsi said: Question - did the SEA ever run without the hoods on? Um, I'm not quite sure how to answer this, but if i distill it right down, yes, I suppose they did. they ran for a decade or two as SPA's before being converted to have a hood, and many SPA's (the vast majority) never got the conversion. Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 1 hour ago, jonhall said: Um, I'm not quite sure how to answer this, but if i distill it right down, yes, I suppose they did. they ran for a decade or two as SPA's before being converted to have a hood, and many SPA's (the vast majority) never got the conversion. Jon To add to what Jon has said, here's a link to some photos of hoodless SEAs:- https://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/UKRailRollingstock/S-Tops-codes/SEA-steel-carriers/ 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Fat Controller said: To add to what Jon has said, here's a link to some photos of hoodless SEAs:- https://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/UKRailRollingstock/S-Tops-codes/SEA-steel-carriers/ Are they ex-hood, or never hooded? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) Does anyone know if the hooded SEAs worked into Scotland at all please? i know steel rod did venture to Mossend in SPA and SKAs so just wondering if the hoods made it that far too? thanks Edited December 19, 2021 by black and decker boy Clarity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted December 19, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2021 Some inspiration If it helps, heres a few skint teenage pictures with a poor camera taken around the northwest… 37027 Gartcosh is heading for Scotland here at Preston.. 37901 at Salford Crescent, coming back from Metal Box, heading south 37712 Cardiff Rod Mill heading through Bolton.. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim76 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 On 19/12/2021 at 21:16, adb968008 said: Some inspiration If it helps, heres a few skint teenage pictures with a poor camera taken around the northwest… 37027 Gartcosh is heading for Scotland here at Preston.. 37901 at Salford Crescent, coming back from Metal Box, heading south 37712 Cardiff Rod Mill heading through Bolton.. When would have these been taken? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted December 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Jim76 said: When would have these been taken? Summer, 1991. Edited December 20, 2021 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse889 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 On 09/11/2021 at 23:18, SouthernMafia said: It's also a shame the Cardiff Rod Mill one isn't available unweathered unless you get the grey wagon. May go down this avenue if the hood is ok. Looking at the pictures of the actual wagons now they have been delivered, the hoods appear to be completely detachable so I guess they could be swapped round and used with the original red stripe wagons if you want both? Expensive way of doing it if you don’t though!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted December 20, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2021 I can confirm that the hood is removeable and they also come with the wooden load support frame, as a separate part, the same as per the SPAs. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 4 hours ago, scouse889 said: Looking at the pictures of the actual wagons now they have been delivered, the hoods appear to be completely detachable so I guess they could be swapped round and used with the original red stripe wagons if you want both? Expensive way of doing it if you don’t though!! If you want an SEA without a hood, then buy an SPA? Or if you want an accurate SPA, build a Cambrian kit? It turns out I 'need' a couple for Hamworthy, but I think its a scratchbuild of a hood on a Cambrian SPA is the way forward - I don't think the EFE hood is much better than the wagon, and my views on that are well documented! Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMafia Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 What's the general consensus on the height of the hood? Looks too tall to me from pics. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted December 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2021 Despite their reported shortcomings I still like the look of the hooded versions so have ordered a few. Cheers Darius 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse889 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 17 hours ago, Darius43 said: Despite their reported shortcomings I still like the look of the hooded versions so have ordered a few. Cheers Darius Me too. Certainly a very different type of wagon for incorporation into a steel train, makes for a bit of variety…!! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 On 20/12/2021 at 23:54, SouthernMafia said: What's the general consensus on the height of the hood? Looks too tall to me from pics. im no expert and this isn’t based on measurement just my observation. I think the overall height above rail looks about right but the height of the hood is too long as it should sit on top of the wagon body (ie the top rib should be visible) this perhaps adds 2mm to the drape length. it may also make the hood a touch wider https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsparevenueconvert/h3e8bf955 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted December 29, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 29, 2021 1 hour ago, black and decker boy said: im no expert and this isn’t based on measurement just my observation. I think the overall height above rail looks about right but the height of the hood is too long as it should sit on top of the wagon body (ie the top rib should be visible) this perhaps adds 2mm to the drape length. it may also make the hood a touch wider https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsparevenueconvert/h3e8bf955 I read that web address as "BR spare venue convert" (instead of SPA revenue convert...) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted December 29, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 29, 2021 On 20/12/2021 at 23:54, SouthernMafia said: What's the general consensus on the height of the hood? Looks too tall to me from pics. can always trim it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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