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Hi All,

I am interested in the recent announcements regarding the SEA covered steel wagons that will be available in a couple of variants.

Having looked at Paul Bartlett’s impressive on line library there are some excellent examples as inspiration for weathering (I know there are weathered variants available too).

However, a question I have is would these run in multiple in a rake or as  single wagons as part of a speed link service or is it possibly both.

Any photographic evidence gratefully received.

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There was some discussion in the Bachmann announcement thread about the hoods being the wrong type, and maybe too tall. Here's one I didn't make earlier:

 

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It's also a shame the Cardiff Rod Mill one isn't available unweathered unless you get the grey wagon. May go down this avenue if the hood is ok. A pleasing announcement all the same as these did appear at Northam yard (Southampton) and Hamworthy to occasionally.

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This is a link to a picture of 3 wagons at Hamworthy.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/justinfoulger/49850405228/

 

As for long trains of these covers I only remember them in mixed rakes maybe 3 or 4 at a time.

Other than that the spa's ran in long rakes of 20+ sometimes covered in sheets sometimes not. 

 

http://www.hondawanderer.com/37229_Fiddington_1987.htm

 

 

 

 

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21 hours ago, CB Rail said:

I am interested in the recent announcements regarding the SEA covered steel wagons that will be available in a couple of variants.

 

However, a question I have is would these run in multiple in a rake or as  single wagons as part of a speed link service or is it possibly both.

Any photographic evidence gratefully received.

 

I had the same thoughts and question, and came across this group on Flickr:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/183142496@N04/albums/72157710350566996/with/49935963176/

 

It's actually pretty good for reference for steel trains in general, but there are a few gems specific to the SEA/SPAs, for example:

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/183142496@N04/49574343698/in/album-72157710350566996/

 

Hope you find something suitably inspiring....! :D

 

 

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Metal Box at Westhoughton used to get a variety of short and mixed trains which could include covered and uncovered wagons.

 

Sometimes just a single vehicle from Cardiff to Bolton, never saw more than a half dozen or so, but if it was a half dozen, it was a mixed consist usually with a speedlink van in their somewhere.

 

Used to produce a 37/7 or a 37/9.

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1 hour ago, Opelsi said:

 

Question - did the SEA ever run without the hoods on?

 

 

Um, I'm not quite sure how to answer this, but if i distill it right down, yes, I suppose they did. 

 

they ran for a decade or two as SPA's before being converted to have a hood, and many SPA's (the vast majority) never got the conversion.

 

Jon

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1 hour ago, jonhall said:

 

Um, I'm not quite sure how to answer this, but if i distill it right down, yes, I suppose they did. 

 

they ran for a decade or two as SPA's before being converted to have a hood, and many SPA's (the vast majority) never got the conversion.

 

Jon

To add to what Jon has said, here's a link to some photos of hoodless SEAs:-

https://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/UKRailRollingstock/S-Tops-codes/SEA-steel-carriers/

 

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Some inspiration If it helps, heres a few skint teenage pictures with a poor camera taken around the northwest…

 

37027 Gartcosh is heading for Scotland here at Preston..

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37901 at Salford Crescent, coming back from Metal Box, heading south

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37712 Cardiff Rod Mill heading through Bolton..

 

 

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On 19/12/2021 at 21:16, adb968008 said:

Some inspiration If it helps, heres a few skint teenage pictures with a poor camera taken around the northwest…

 

37027 Gartcosh is heading for Scotland here at Preston..

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37901 at Salford Crescent, coming back from Metal Box, heading south

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37712 Cardiff Rod Mill heading through Bolton..

 

 

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When would have these been taken?

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On 09/11/2021 at 23:18, SouthernMafia said:

It's also a shame the Cardiff Rod Mill one isn't available unweathered unless you get the grey wagon. May go down this avenue if the hood is ok.


Looking at the pictures of the actual wagons now they have been delivered, the hoods appear to be completely detachable so I guess they could be swapped round and used with the original red stripe wagons if you want both? Expensive way of doing it if you don’t though!! :)

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4 hours ago, scouse889 said:


Looking at the pictures of the actual wagons now they have been delivered, the hoods appear to be completely detachable so I guess they could be swapped round and used with the original red stripe wagons if you want both? Expensive way of doing it if you don’t though!! :)

 

If you want an SEA without a hood, then buy an SPA? Or if you want an accurate SPA, build a Cambrian kit? It turns out I 'need' a couple for Hamworthy, but I think its a scratchbuild of a hood on a Cambrian SPA is the way forward - I don't think the EFE hood is much better than the wagon, and my views on that are well documented!

 

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17 hours ago, Darius43 said:

Despite their reported shortcomings I still like the look of the hooded versions so have ordered a few.

 

Cheers

 

Darius


Me too. Certainly a very different type of wagon for incorporation into a steel train, makes for a bit of variety…!!

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On 20/12/2021 at 23:54, SouthernMafia said:

What's the general consensus on the height of the hood? Looks too tall to me from pics.

im no expert and this isn’t based on measurement just my observation. I think the overall height above rail looks about right but the height of the hood is too long as it should sit on top of the wagon body (ie the top rib should be visible) 

 

this perhaps adds 2mm to the drape length.

 

it may also make the hood a touch wider 
 

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsparevenueconvert/h3e8bf955

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1 hour ago, black and decker boy said:

im no expert and this isn’t based on measurement just my observation. I think the overall height above rail looks about right but the height of the hood is too long as it should sit on top of the wagon body (ie the top rib should be visible) 

 

this perhaps adds 2mm to the drape length.

 

it may also make the hood a touch wider 
 

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsparevenueconvert/h3e8bf955

I read that web address as "BR spare venue convert" (instead of SPA revenue convert...)

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