Hornby 2022 Range - pre-announcement frothing - now closed

[RyanN91]

Possibly the BR Motorrail Car Transporter (Cartic) will be in the 2022 range, as the last time it was available was in the 2008-2009 ranges.  As R60040 the Motorail, Carflat Transporter from the 2021 range is now available.

[Star-rider]

12 minutes ago, acg5324 said:

Any good Model shop will certainly advise you about that….and yes I do work in one.

 

 I don't doubt you would sir, a good local model shop is an asset to anyone new to the hobby.

 

Sadly a first purchase these days is often from Amazon or Ebay...

[Phil Parker]

3 minutes ago, Star-rider said:

 I don't doubt you would sir, a good local model shop is an asset to anyone new to the hobby.

 

Sadly a first purchase these days is often from Amazon or Ebay...

 

Possibly, but we'll never be able to fix that now. There are a few on here who are very disapariging of the existance of model shops - but IMHO they are wrong. Model shops=A Good Thing.

 

Interesting quote from the UKModelShops newsletter this morning:

 

Sadly we have lost 12 model shops this past year, but the good news is that 23 new ones have opened up. Less closures than in 2020 and a similar number of new ones.

 

That sounds like good news to me!

[wombatofludham]

1 minute ago, Phil Parker said:

 

Interesting quote from the UKModelShops newsletter this morning:

 

Sadly we have lost 12 model shops this past year, but the good news is that 23 new ones have opened up. Less closures than in 2020 and a similar number of new ones.

 

That sounds like good news to me!

Nice to see people are still having the confidence to open new shops in the middle of a plague.  As a retired Town Planner, I have a suspicion this type of hobby focussed retailing might just be the new order for town centres as they gradually transition away from big chain stores to becoming "experience" and "leisure retail" focussed.

Serious head for a moment, adding to the frothfest, Hornby are lacking a serious competitive "heritage" DMU in their range, making do with the long in the tooth 110 and ex Lima Met Camm and Bubble.  I do wonder if a Swindon Cross Country might give them a way into the market which has mainly gone to Bachmann of late?  A good transition era model with a long life which could sit nicely alongside their late steam era right up to HST and Class 87 (in blue of course, a livery which they studiously ignore).  It could even allow them to market a Hawksworth coach in DMU Green as some were modified for use in the cross country sets, which must have made the already lardy performance even more glacial.  Given it has scored highly in wishlist polls I can't help thinking it would be the least surprising surprise on 10 Jan.

One other quick win which would rake in the pounds and boost their business is another run of NSE and Blue/Grey 4-VEPs.  Despite their panning on some forums they go for daft money on Tatbay, which must be an indication of a lot of latent pent-up demand for the model, warts and all.  Given no new tooling is needed, just a slot and some livery work, it seems a no-brainer.  To avoid strict competition with earlier releases, the early light blue NSE livery and NSE branding on blue-grey could be a bit of a cash cow based on Tatbay values.

[acg5324]

and often Amazon and eBay are not the cheapest option……and sometimes haven’t actually got what you are buying.

[Andrew P]

On 22/12/2021 at 17:20, gwrrob said:

Three day weeks, power cuts, glam rock, no central heating,  happy days

But no Covid. 

[newbryford]

43 minutes ago, RyanN91 said:

Possibly the BR Motorrail Car Transporter (Cartic) will be in the 2022 range, as the last time it was available was in the 2008-2009 ranges.  As R60040 the Motorail, Carflat Transporter from the 2021 range is now available.

 

They may just re-release that one to upset Revolution. Even though it isn't a patch on the promised Revo version.

(I think they're the only company that the big H hasn't upset yet.....)

[phil gollin]

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First of all, I want all the items mentioned in my "signature" (!), but especially the  4-COR, which has real character and a good range of liveries.

 

Some of the choices above are brilliant, but many are unrealistic for a volume manufacturer.

 

The Maunsell Z-class 0-8-0T is an interesting suggestion, but it is, essentially, a specialist shunter, whereas some of the large Southern tanks mainly used on inter-regional freights would be more useful and attractive to people who model other regions  -  e.g. Maunsell W-class 2-6-4T (Ashford version) or the Urie H16 4-6-2T.

 

In addition, the Walrus 40 ton bogie hopper wagon was a well travelled numerous wagon, with trains visible all over the Southern/Southern Region.

 

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[SD85]

A new issue of the Rebuilt Light Pacific would be welcome, since it wasn't in the catalogue last year.

 

I do wonder if at some point the old LBSC brake van (one of the better Margate era wagons) might get retooled. Did bring this up to SK at a show a couple of years ago and he said it might be an option to think about (or words to that effect).

 

Limited edition Dublo commemorative versions of the Castle and maybe the 8F might be a logical thing to do also.

 

 

What is needed (but not guaranteed to be produced):

 

SR U Class - the big missing item on the Southern RTR loco front. The reason given in the past that it's too close to an N Class to be worth producing doesn't wash any more I'd say, given that Hornby are already making the 78xxx (which is an Ivatt 2MT with minor detail tweaks).

 

4-CIG - practically every 1960s MK1 Southern region EMU has been produced apart from this one, logical next step.

 

Electrostar variants - this is one of the most widely used types of train on the British network, you can make it in third rail or overhead pick up variants quite easily. Essential for pretty much any modern day layout set around London and the SE. There's also the diesel variants of the design that can be found in the West Midlands.

 

Z Class 0-8-0 - Actually pretty niche, but I reckon this would sell quite decently among SR modellers.

 

WD 2-10-0 - Would be a nice contrast to the Bachmann 2-8-0.

 

LNWR George V - If you're going to capitalise on pre-Grouping era models as several manufacturers are doing recently, this would be an obvious place to start.

 

GWR Saint Class - will a retool/new design finally be justified?

Class 700 - these units are becoming more widespread and along with the Electrostars would be a popular choice.

 

Locomotion - if you're going to produce Rocket and Lion then you might as well round things off.

 

GWR Aberdare Class - perhaps a bit of niche choice again, but among GWR modellers this would sell pretty well.

[mdvle]

49 minutes ago, wombatofludham said:

Nice to see people are still having the confidence to open new shops in the middle of a plague.

 

As has been pointed out by many in the industry, while Covid is obviously a bad thing and many people have had a miserable time either surviving Covid or losing loved ones to Covid, in terms of the hobby it is the best thing to have happened in decades.

 

Sales are up significantly and the biggest problem is keeping stock on the shelves - and that isn't entirely due to China but because so many more people are buying models whether they are new to the hobby or returning.

 

So it actually has been a good time to open a new shop - sales up and potentially better deals from landlords.

[melmerby]

2 hours ago, Butler Henderson said:

That is a straight relivery of the 40 year old Airfix tooling - there was no mention of any upgrade or new tooling, just a new in terms of the livery or to be more precise a different running number on it compared to what has been offered previously. If as it seems it still has theh Airfix coupling mount then it would be simple to swop the couplings for the original Airxfix narrow ones  https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313797691883?hash=item490fccc9eb:g:QrIAAOSwb21hlD75 or the Mainline sized ones that were produced whilst in Palitoy ownership https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/13011372546?iid=121838890660

The narrow Airfix ones are pretty useless without the spring in the mounting, which Hornby don't fit.

IIRC There were later larger Airfix ones (not the Mainline size ones) and are better.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 24, 2021 by melmerby

[Butler Henderson]

The later larger Airfix "GMR" one are equivalent to those Hornby fit today.

[scottrains29]

I think we'll see an updated class 43 HST released in various liveries. Hopefully they'll produce an original light-lens GNER example, and perhaps an ealy yellow cab roof Virgin one too.

 

I suspect we'll see Oxford rail HST mk3's (perhaps under Hornby branding) after they showed off the HST mk3 engineering samples at the last Warley show.

 

I think we'll also see an updated class 56. As with some Hornby HSTs, some 2021 class 56 models have now also been delayed into next year, perhaps due to an update. Hornby will be wanting to keep up with the competition (Cavalex 56, Bachmann 69) and it'd be easy for them to upgrade theirs (21 pin, flush fan grills, servo operated fans etc). The Hornby model already has a great cab interior and opening doors, a useful feature the competitors won't have.

 

I also suspect Hornby will slash the price of their latest MGR wagons and will release numerous types to almost flood the market (as they did with the class 66) in response to the forthcoming Accurascale and Cavalex MGRs.

Edited December 24, 2021 by scottrains29

[Calidore]

1 hour ago, phil gollin said:

or the Urie H16 4-6-2T.

 

Hear hear!

[Downer]

The SR U does look so like the N that the different-looking N1or U1 might well be more saleable.

[Steamport Southport]

1 hour ago, phil gollin said:

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First of all, I want all the items mentioned in my "signature" (!), but especially the  4-COR, which has real character and a good range of liveries.

 

Some of the choices above are brilliant, but many are unrealistic for a volume manufacturer.

 

The Maunsell Z-class 0-8-0T is an interesting suggestion, but it is, essentially, a specialist shunter, whereas some of the large Southern tanks mainly used on inter-regional freights would be more useful and attractive to people who model other regions  -  e.g. Maunsell W-class 2-6-4T (Ashford version) or the Urie H16 4-6-2T.

 

In addition, the Walrus 40 ton bogie hopper wagon was a well travelled numerous wagon, with trains visible all over the Southern/Southern Region.

 

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The Z Class ended up as bankers in the South West. Quite a popular area for modellers I believe.  

 

I think of them as a possible commission for Kernow. Maybe once they've got the backlog out of the way....

 

 

 

Jason

[melmerby]

1 hour ago, Butler Henderson said:

The later larger Airfix "GMR" one are equivalent to those Hornby fit today.

This is what I use in Airfix pockets:

https://uk.Hornby.com/products/coupling-assemblies-pack-10-r8099

Edited December 24, 2021 by melmerby

[Mr chapman]

I'm hovering over an Oxford adams radial in olive green... This is Hornby's last chance for me to wait. 

[Butler Henderson]

30 minutes ago, melmerby said:

This is what I use in Airfix pockets:

https://uk.Hornby.com/products/coupling-assemblies-pack-10-r8099

Yes those ones are sort of a blown up of the small Airfix ones to near Mainline size.

[melmerby]

10 minutes ago, Butler Henderson said:

Yes those ones are sort of a blown up of the small Airfix ones to near Mainline size.

They are the same size as a modern Tension Lock and nowhere as big as a Mainline one.

Left to Right

 

Airfix, Hornby R8099, Modern T/L, original Mainline

The R8099 is my choice for Airfix stock with original T/Ls, I still have a couple of originals fitted.

Most I have replaced with Kadees

 

[Chrisr40]

Latest episode of signal box is available, I was squinting trying to work out what the tts packs on the wall behind the presenter at the start said in case any clues for 2022 were there. Perhaps someone with a better screen can tell ?

[melmerby]

4 minutes ago, Chrisr40 said:

Latest episode of signal box is available, I was squinting trying to work out what the tts packs on the wall behind the presenter at the start said in case any clues for 2022 were there. Perhaps someone with a better screen can tell ?

I'm on a 27" HD screen and it is out of focus compared to the presenter

[scouse889]

Ooooh, are we wishlisting and speculating again?

Well, on the 12th day of January (or thereabouts) I think/wish* (delete as applicable) Simon Kohler will have gave to me: 12 Flying Scotsman’s, 11 brand new Peckett’s, 10 cheap 66s, 9 delayed 2021 models, 8 pin DCC sockets, 7 car APT train pack (without capacitors), 6 reliveried models, 5 new Playtrains things, 4 (-6-2) Pacific locos, 3 car EMU, 2 car DMU, and a dodgy livery application on a (slightly retooled) HST. I think that about covers it…??! Merry Christmas to all!! 

Edited December 24, 2021 by scouse889

[phil gollin]

2 hours ago, Downer said:

The SR U does look so like the N that the different-looking N1or U1 might well be more saleable.

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The K-class 2-6-0 is a very nice looking loco, different to the N's, N1's and U1's and is a Brighton line loco.

 

Stylish.

 

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[Paul.Uni]

19 hours ago, farren said:

I predict at least 10 ruddy terrier’s in ever livery imageable apart from x which someone wants and then goes on to moan about it not being down on ever page of Hornby Facebook  page even after being told it was only done the other year. 

My prediction for the Terriers: a model of each of the preserved Terriers in current or planned livery for #Terrier150.