OO Gauge GWR Toplight Mainline & City Coaches announced

[Coach bogie]

I like to support these ventures whenever I can but I am struggling to justify stock that was so specialist and geographically limited as these. I will probably buy some, but how much I will use them is not clear.

 

 I cut and shut them into the articulated set. Now there is a challenge

 

Mike Wiltshire

[rovex]

30 minutes ago, Star-rider said:

Yes, possibly a bit London-centric, my interest is in GWR around the West Midlands and I suspect they are unlikely to have reached up here - I need to consult a book and then think up some barely credible pretext...

I can't find much info but what I can find does suggest that these coaches into London. But did so from some far flung places.

So far as I can tell wouldn't have made it up to Brum. Brum had its own sets of toplight non corridor. They were longer and ran in four coach sets.

Some cleverer than I will know if the sets were broken up and used in general mixed use, setting aside for a moment the miners coaches.

The all over brown are presumably war time liveries.

Were these repainted after the war into choc and cream.

Did they see BR crimson? Or go straight from wartime brown to maroon?

Would love a set, just got to work out how to smuggle past the better half

[Harlequin]

It occurs to me that one of these short, low roofed, toplights would work wonderfully as a trailer for a Kernow steam rail motor - especially with both in crimson lake!

 

Even if not entirely correct, I think it would look right.

 

Edited February 2, 2022 by Harlequin

[exet1095]

Another suitable locomotive… the Heljan Metropolitan electric BoBo.

[2750Papyrus]

They really look rather super.  As an ECML modeller, I'm jealous!

[Neal Ball]

Thank you Dapol.

 

It might have taken a while and you would hope here at RMWeb we have been influencing Dapol in their decision making.

 

Maybe our discussions in 2013 and the poll in 2017 played a part:

 

 

Good luck to Dapol.

 

[Miss Prism]

Edited July 18, 2022 by Miss Prism
image reinstated

[OFFTHE RAILS]

The BR "maroon" livery is unlikely to have been carried. That started in 1956 just as the coaches were withdrawn (Dapol say) in 1956-7. I suspect/hope Dapol really mean they'll be offering BR crimson/red/carmine which was used 1949-56.

[Quarryscapes]

Just a 517 class to go and that's 90% of RMweb's GWR wishlisting taken care of! 

[Clearwater]

Doing a bit of desktop research, am I right that these are all 48’ diagrams ?  Also, did these coaches run on suburban services up towards Princes Risborough?  Third question.  Wouldn’t the GWR lake livery have gone by the time the 41xx were introduced.  Can we reasonably infer that Dapol must also be planning a Churchward era 2-6-2 tank?

 

Interesting that they ran direct services from Reading to Moorgate.  A precedent for Crossrail services…

 

 

Edited February 2, 2022 by Clearwater

[Garethp8873]

I'm happy... finally will have a RTR 3755 for the layout. All brown livery sounds good. I take all brown with shirt button? Another first in the OO GWR RTR scene too, Lined Crimson and All Brown? 

 

 

[Garethp8873]

1 hour ago, Clearwater said:

Doing a bit of desktop research, am I right that these are all 48’ diagrams ?  Also, did these coaches run on suburban services up towards Princes Risborough?  Third question.  Wouldn’t the GWR lake livery have gone by the time the 41xx were introduced.  Can we reasonably infer that Dapol must also be planning a Churchward era 2-6-2 tank?

 

Interesting that they ran direct services from Reading to Moorgate.  A precedent for Crossrail services…

 

 

 

Yes all C37, D62 and E101 were all 48' coaches

[The Stationmaster]

55 minutes ago, Clearwater said:

Doing a bit of desktop research, am I right that these are all 48’ diagrams ?  Also, did these coaches run on suburban services up towards Princes Risborough?  Third question.  Wouldn’t the GWR lake livery have gone by the time the 41xx were introduced.  Can we reasonably infer that Dapol must also be planning a Churchward era 2-6-2 tank?

 

Interesting that they ran direct services from Reading to Moorgate.  A precedent for Crossrail services…

 

 

I'd be interested to see a reference for latterday direct services from Reading to Moorgate.  i'll have to check through some of my older timetables but I can find a through service from Reading after 1914 and it is possible that the single Reading train survived until the big cull in 1925 when the Met greatly reduced the GWR's 'ration' for through trains because of lack of capacity.  this is reflected in the Summer 1929 service when there were only 5 trains in each direction daily running through to Liverpool St (the terminus for all the through trains at that time).  Of the Up trains two started from Uxbridge (Vine St) one from Staines, one from Hayes, and one from Southall.  Without checking I've an idea that Windsor reappeared in a later year prior to the end of through running in September 1939 but it looks like all the longer distance trains such as Maidenhead, Bourne End, High Wycombe (via Maidenhead) and the single Reading working had gradually ceased over the years with the last going in 1925.

 

There were no through workings to the City from any New Line stations at any time - the nearest one got to there was the one train from High Wycombe via Maidenhead which doesn't appear to have lasted very long.  the logocal engine to work these trains prior to the arrival of the 61XX would be a  'County tank',  or Metro tank.  Through working of GWR steam locos finished in 1907 after which - until the service finally ceased - all trains were worked forward by Met electric locos from Bishops Road/Paddington (Suburban),

 

apart from a couple which ended their days on miners' trains in south wales I don't know where the City sets/vehicles from them went to fater they spread a bit further from their original area of operation but no doubt someone on RMweb will know where some of them ended up

 

 

[Chris116]

Dapol have listed six sets they are producing in various liveries.

 

Either I have lost my marbles or the blue livery that is shown in the photos of the different diagrams being produced does not appear to be included in the plans which I find rather odd. I suspect that the Blue is for the miner's train and will be produced later.

[Harlequin]

2 minutes ago, Chris116 said:

Dapol have listed six sets they are producing in various liveries.

 

Either I have lost my marbles or the blue livery that is shown in the photos of the different diagrams being produced does not appear to be included in the plans which I find rather odd. I suspect that the Blue is for the miner's train and will be produced later.

I think the blue is just the colour of the plastic used to make the Engineering Prototype. It has no significance to any livery.

 

[Chris116]

Just now, Harlequin said:

I think the blue is just the colour of the plastic used to make the Engineering Prototype. It has no significance to any livery.

 

That's a shame. I have two of the blue Maunsell coaches produced in a set for the Bluebell Railway with Stepney in lined black. I also have three blue coaches which were a special for Footplate models of Kidderminster, they are in a storage box which is hard to get at but I think they were produced by Dapol to represent S&DJR stock. With all this blue stock I was thinking three of the new Dapol coaches in blue would mean I had three sets of coaches in similar livery for use on a preserved line.

[County of Yorkshire]

5 hours ago, Star-rider said:

Right at the bottom of the announcement linked above:

 

Toplight Corridor coaches are currently in design, we look forward to being able to tell you more on this project later on in the year.

 

This is deeply exciting. GWR toplight coaches have always been the Cinderella of steam era RTR coaches… “they’ll never get done”. 
 

Wow, wow, wow! 
 

CoY

[Steamport Southport]

GWR London stock. Would you Adam and Eve it?   

 

One of the few times something like this is announced that I already have relevant locos to pull them!

 

So a 1930s Roundel era set and maybe a crimson one.

 

 

Jason

[ikks]

I don't have a lot of modelling interest in matters Western, but these look stunning and I do have a Met Bo-Bo (impulse purchase, because I saw them  on my frequent visits to London)  so just maybe..........!!!

Have to save up though {initial thoughts, too expensive but looking at the price of some of the basic recent wagon releases, they are an absolute bargain)

Shut up wallet, stop groaning.

Mike

Edited February 3, 2022 by ikks

[Jon Harbour]

Oh my wallet! I can see that I will need two sets of these at least.... The spec is hugely impressive.

[Craigw]

This is a seriously impressive move by Dapol and gets a big thumbs up from me. Lake and fully lined liveries - a very good move and nice to see someone prepared to do older liveries on coaches that are not a work of fiction. 

They are not really suitable for what I want to model but I will be indulging in a set of 6 Lake livery coaches. There has been a lot of talk about wanting RTR Toplights. This is the first step of it and I hope that many people step forward and support this move.

 

Well done Dapol.

 

Craig W

[Neal Ball]

9 hours ago, Miss Prism said:

 

9 hours ago, Quarryscapes said:

Just a 517 class to go and that's 90% of RMweb's GWR wishlisting taken care of! 

I have a part built Metro tank…. With a bit of effort that scene could be reproduced….

 

Happy days!

[Miss Prism]

9 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

this is reflected in the Summer 1929 service when there were only 5 trains in each direction daily running through to Liverpool St (the terminus for all the through trains at that time).

 

Didn't the service extend to Aldgate (or had that stopped by then)?

 

[chrisf]

After the war these sets were deployed on specific duties.  In the London carriage working programme for summer 1955 , which may be viewed on Robert Carroll's site, they were described as "C sets".  There were six  diagrams for them taking them to such places as Uxbridge, Windsor, Aylesbury and "Slough Depot", which was Slough Trading Estate.

 

Chris   

Edited February 3, 2022 by chrisf

[Hal Nail]

13 hours ago, Coach bogie said:

I am struggling to justify stock that was so specialist and geographically limited as these.

On the Hattons generic 4 and 6 wheelers thread there have been several mentions of generic short bogie coaches. I suspect Dapol are thinking these will have appeal beyond those modelling their actual routes.