RMweb Premium Andy Kirkham Posted April 6, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: I've always had the impression that Stroudley was widely held to have been colour-blind and that the term "Improved Engine Green" was either devised to cover an error on his part or represented a contemporary attempt at sarcasm. Many years ago, when I took (and passed) my RAF vision test, the MO told me that, especially among smokers, colour perception can be unstable and may vary significantly over quite short periods. Consistency might therefore not be something to be expected? John I am apt to disbelieve the colour blindness theory on the basis that the full Brighton livery - a wondrous combination of ochre, claret, olive green, vermillion, black and white, each shade beautifully complementing its neighbours - could scarcely have been devised by a colour blind man. Edited April 6, 2022 by Andy Kirkham 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 6, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2022 I've long supposed that Stroudley's Improved Engine Green was simply because he thought green dull and conformist - so his colour was an improvement. I can imagine the youthful Johnson, Stroudley, and Drummond sitting in the pub after a hard day at Cowlairs trying to keep the E&GR's dodgy locomotive fleet going, vigorously debating what would be the best locomotive colour. I've also wondered if the M&GN locomotive livery wasn't Johnson's tribute to his old friend. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 29 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: I've always had the impression that Stroudley was widely held to have been colour-blind and that the term "Improved Engine Green" was either devised to cover an error on his part or represented a contemporary attempt at sarcasm. Many years ago, when I took (and passed) my RAF vision test, the MO told me that, especially among smokers, colour perception can be unstable and may vary significantly over quite short periods. Consistency might therefore not be something to be expected? John It's an often used misquote and the colour blindness is a probably a total myth. it's been debated for decades and serious historians such as David Jenkinson dismissed it as pure nonsense. What he apparently said was "It's an improvement on Engine Green" which was the colour HR locomotives were at the time. Somewhere down the line it's been altered. The interesting fact is he introduced the colour to the Highland yet his locomotives were turned out in green. He only built the three Lochgorm Tanks. It was subsequent locomotives built by Jones that received it. I think the Dukes were the first new engines to get it. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124446949@N06/35241671283 Yellow was hardly unique, don't forget the M&GN also used it. Jason 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted April 6, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 6, 2022 A lot of sources call the livery 'Stroudley Yellow'. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted April 6, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2022 17 minutes ago, Corbs said: A lot of sources call the livery 'Stroudley Yellow'. The Brighton Circle are happy with Improved Engine Green, though with some discussion (much as reported above). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 (edited) I suppose it's possible that Stroudley intended the word "improved" to describe the locomotive rather than the colour the paint shop foreman had mixed. Edited April 6, 2022 by Michael Hodgson typo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinW Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 On display today on the Rapido stand at Tonbridge MRC open day today Colin 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 I expect I'm not the first to comment and I appreciate it's a work-in-progress rather than the production version, but I can't see why they're using those peculiar solid wheels for the front and rear drivers, given that they managed to source spoked wheels for the centre axle. It does give the loco a very odd appearance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said: I expect I'm not the first to comment and I appreciate it's a work-in-progress rather than the production version, but I can't see why they're using those peculiar solid wheels for the front and rear drivers, given that they managed to source spoked wheels for the centre axle. It does give the loco a very odd appearance. Looking back at the launch video it looks like it maybe maybe a Flangeless 3D print so doesn't need to be metal. The 2 outer ones do need flanges/be metal to make a quick and dirty running mockup to clearance testing etc. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nightstar.train Posted May 28, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) I was at the riverside museum today, so grabbed a few photos. And dare I hope that whilst Rapido were at the museum 3D scanning the Jones goods (at least I assume they did, that's their usual method of operation), they may have scanned another couple of engines? Edited May 28, 2022 by nightstar.train 18 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 30, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 30, 2022 I see a neverwozzer in BR lined black is now being advertised - I'm sure it'll look very handsome, as it's a livery that rarely fails to look good. Production is subject to getting sufficient orders, it says here: https://rapidotrains.co.uk/highland-railway-jones-goods-4-6-0/. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) Chronologically, they’ve missed out a possible livery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Railway_Drummond_0-6-0_Class To come later, depending on response to the latest offering? Edited July 30, 2022 by pH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted August 1, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 1, 2022 Here's the pic of the 'what if' BR livery applied to 112/17925/57925 copied over from the website. The full length tender tank and Caley-style chimney/smokebox door should be correct for the condition this loco was withdrawn in. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, Corbs said: Here's the pic of the 'what if' BR livery applied to 112/17925/57925 copied over from the website. The full length tender tank and Caley-style chimney/smokebox door should be correct for the condition this loco was withdrawn in. Its not coming up for me, could you send me the image directly? Oh wait, it’s the artwork from Sheffield. I thought you’d maybe shopped up a picture of the real thing. Edited August 2, 2022 by scots region Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, scots region said: Oh wait, it’s the artwork from Sheffield. It's the artwork from Rapido UK, who are based in Staplehurst. What does Sheffield have to do with it? (Besides the model being available from Rapido stockists, including those in Sheffield). Edited August 2, 2022 by Paul.Uni Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted August 2, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2022 I think the confusion was just because Rails of Sheffield post a lot of Rapido stock announcements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Paul.Uni said: It's the artwork from Rapido UK, who are based in Staplehurst. What does Sheffield have to do with it? (Besides the model being available from Rapido stockists, including those in Sheffield). D'oh!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 Jones Goods at Perth & KIlmarnock 1965 by Brian Flannigan 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shunny Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Are we getting the preserved Caley coaches to go with it next? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Alder Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 1 hour ago, shunny said: Are we getting the preserved Caley coaches to go with it next? That would be a splendid bonus - plus a 123 afterwards...... 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium E100 Posted August 6, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 6, 2022 4 hours ago, shunny said: Are we getting the preserved Caley coaches to go with it next? With the recent 812 as well being rather successful there should be the clear market. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted August 6, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Ben Alder said: That would be a splendid bonus - plus a 123 afterwards...... 4 hours ago, E100 said: With the recent 812 as well being rather successful there should be the clear market. A certain gentleman based in Margate may well be turning purple at the thought..🥵. Edited August 6, 2022 by Dunsignalling 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted August 6, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 6, 2022 I've often wondered if this livery was a homage to No.103. John 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 Another Brian Flannigan picture, which might be a useful angle. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted August 6, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 6, 2022 That photo nicely shows the join along the top of the boiler cladding. No more moaning about mould lines please. 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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