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Western Star

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Maybe "modern" is not an appropriate adjective for rolling stock from the 1980s...  what I am referring to are the VDx and VGA/VKA vans of the late 1970s and 1980s.

 

Have any of these designs become part of the heritage scene and, if so, where?

 

thank you, Graham

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Mike Storey

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On 21/04/2022 at 00:09, hmrspaul said:

Why do they call it a Ferry van? Misleading and false. 

 

Paul

 

True, for that batch. But of the initial batch (in 1969) about one third were designated for "international" traffic, with dual brakes and 26ft wheelbases (the rest were for Ford to the later standard design). I don't think any of them were ever sent across the Channel?

 

 

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18 hours ago, Mike Storey said:

 

True, for that batch. But of the initial batch (in 1969) about one third were designated for "international" traffic, with dual brakes and 26ft wheelbases (the rest were for Ford to the later standard design). I don't think any of them were ever sent across the Channel?

 

 

Mike that is a very strange response. This is a VDA and the first of these (apart from the prototype based on 200165) were not introduced until 1965 and I'm not aware of  any of the BR air brake vans after 1969 being dual braked - they only had vacuum piping - and the wheelbase was 20ft 9 in. Are you meaning the "Ford Palvan" diag 1/235 although they also had 20ft 9 in wheelbase. 

 

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2 hours ago, hmrspaul said:

Mike that is a very strange response. This is a VDA and the first of these (apart from the prototype based on 200165) were not introduced until 1965 and I'm not aware of  any of the BR air brake vans after 1969 being dual braked - they only had vacuum piping - and the wheelbase was 20ft 9 in. Are you meaning the "Ford Palvan" diag 1/235 although they also had 20ft 9 in wheelbase. 

 

Paul

 

I got it from this, which I have found to be quite reliable as a source previously. See second section "History", third sentence. Maybe they were designed but never built? It is not clear.

 

https://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_027.php

 

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1 hour ago, Mike Storey said:

 

I got it from this, which I have found to be quite reliable as a source previously. See second section "History", third sentence. Maybe they were designed but never built? It is not clear.

 

https://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_027.php

 

 

The site is correct and quite straightforward

 

The first were for international traffic, rated initially at 20tons and featuring dual-braked underframes with a 26ft 3in wheelbase. The second were 22ton pallet vans built to carry car parts for Ford, with large sliding doors, 20ft 9in wheelbase underframes and (on the later batches) air brakes. The configuration of the Ford vans was developed for more general use and, combined with developments in chassis technology, resulted in a new design known initially as the COV AB. It goes on to give some details of the initial batches of these. 

 

He is quite clear. Initially he talks of the 1962 Ferry van https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brferryvan - as to be modelled by Revolution- and then the 1963 Ford Pallet vans https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brfordpalvan the first of which were VB and the second AB. These are on the 20ft 3in wheelbase which became a standard for a while, having been used on some prototypes earlier. 

 

BUT he then is clear it is followed by the batches of 1969 COV AB to become VAB and VBA (and VCA). What I am referring to is the conservationists totally mistaken linking of the 1975 VDA to ferry vans, some 13 years younger than the ferry vans. 

 

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6 hours ago, hmrspaul said:

 

The site is correct and quite straightforward

 

The first were for international traffic, rated initially at 20tons and featuring dual-braked underframes with a 26ft 3in wheelbase. The second were 22ton pallet vans built to carry car parts for Ford, with large sliding doors, 20ft 9in wheelbase underframes and (on the later batches) air brakes. The configuration of the Ford vans was developed for more general use and, combined with developments in chassis technology, resulted in a new design known initially as the COV AB. It goes on to give some details of the initial batches of these. 

 

He is quite clear. Initially he talks of the 1962 Ferry van https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brferryvan - as to be modelled by Revolution- and then the 1963 Ford Pallet vans https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brfordpalvan the first of which were VB and the second AB. These are on the 20ft 3in wheelbase which became a standard for a while, having been used on some prototypes earlier. 

 

BUT he then is clear it is followed by the batches of 1969 COV AB to become VAB and VBA (and VCA). What I am referring to is the conservationists totally mistaken linking of the 1975 VDA to ferry vans, some 13 years younger than the ferry vans. 

 

Paul

 

I think we are agreed. Which is why I said "True, for that batch" in my initial comment, following yours. I knew what you meant but sought to explain the possible confusion. 

 

Let's stop this there.

 

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