andyman7 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 It would be good to see some more pictures when they appear to get a better idea of the finish from more than one viewpoint or lighting angle 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmdon Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 what's the expert consensus on the green running plate? for me, that's mostly what's making it look like a toy, but if it's prototypical... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Downer Posted October 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Helmdon said: what's the expert consensus on the green running plate? for me, that's mostly what's making it look like a toy, but if it's prototypical... I think it may be for the late crest version, but not for the early crest. Either way, that’s a problem that’s easily fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmdon Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Downer said: I think it may be for the late crest version, but not for the early crest. Either way, that’s a problem that’s easily fixed. you say that - it will be my first experience of putting paint anywhere near a locomotive for 20 years, I was never very good at it the first time, and it's costing me £200 plus paint.... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Downer said: I have this on order at my local model shop, and am worried that refusing to accept this apparent travesty will be problematic for the retailer in question. Can anyone say how this works? Will he be able to return it to Hornby without incurring any penalty? You have a perfect right the reject the model if it does not correspond to the product you ordered. I don’t think there’ll be any quibble….or shouldn’t be….about that. Next question is to bring it to the attention of the Hornby marketing dept,possibly in the form of a steady flow of returned body shells with request for merchantable,accurately finished replacements. Will this happen? Not any time soon I imagine. Another fine mess etc. the latest in a long line of avoidable mishaps 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ramrig Posted October 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, Helmdon said: what's the expert consensus on the green running plate? for me, that's mostly what's making it look like a toy, but if it's prototypical... Have a look at the link image. If you zoom in the edge of the running plate appears to be black https://www.theclanproject.org/Clan_History2.php 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, Helmdon said: what's the expert consensus on the green running plate? for me, that's mostly what's making it look like a toy, but if it's prototypical... When and for how long ? Apart from that,consider that shade…… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacol Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Took a couple of photos next to COTN. Night time with just a fluro light and no flash. Yes the green looks a little lighter but is lifted by the lining which in daylight looks ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2021 Just to dispel any kind of myth creation,Clans were not akin to the latest Hornby “ representation “ . The best way to approach one is with heavy weathering as is suggested above. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2021 For reference,there are currently a number of the first issue issue series R29XX for sale on eBay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted October 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2021 49 minutes ago, Ian Hargrave said: When and for how long ? Apart from that,consider that shade…… Just had a quick look in 'Locomotives in details No 5 - Riddles class 6/7', Dave Clark 2006. References to the green cylinder covers (72009 quoted in the text although the photographic evidence shows only 72008) and green firebox sides but no mention at all of the green tops to the running plates. Same in the section for the Brits. I'd really like to see some concrete evidence for this as they really stand out. Some good new pictures of the models on Monk Bar Model Shops facebook page https://www.facebook.com/monkbarmodels/photos/pcb.4389436241123280/4389435554456682/?__cft__[0]=AZUDmiw8Kzx5KN1W-qGKtRnuf6U3MUu4Ms45eA4RnTmFbOCXlFO4ov1qc6dtQ6Phq0Uex0WZ7EwQWGlzZ2_dhDvSD6CSg-D--Z_ptEsoK7OwAsQr4eTdauO-Z2zSYixsyh8&__tn__=*bH-R for those that have access - I can't copy to this thread as not my images. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmdon Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 29 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said: Just had a quick look in 'Locomotives in details No 5 - Riddles class 6/7', Dave Clark 2006. References to the green cylinder covers (72009 quoted in the text although the photographic evidence shows only 72008) and green firebox sides but no mention at all of the green tops to the running plates. Same in the section for the Brits. I'd really like to see some concrete evidence for this as they really stand out. Some good new pictures of the models on Monk Bar Model Shops facebook page https://www.facebook.com/monkbarmodels/photos/pcb.4389436241123280/4389435554456682/?__cft__[0]=AZUDmiw8Kzx5KN1W-qGKtRnuf6U3MUu4Ms45eA4RnTmFbOCXlFO4ov1qc6dtQ6Phq0Uex0WZ7EwQWGlzZ2_dhDvSD6CSg-D--Z_ptEsoK7OwAsQr4eTdauO-Z2zSYixsyh8&__tn__=*bH-R for those that have access - I can't copy to this thread as not my images. Actually they look better there. Still not convinced by the green running plate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmdon Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Ramrig said: Have a look at the link image. If you zoom in the edge of the running plate appears to be black https://www.theclanproject.org/Clan_History2.php Thanks - I’m actually a member, you just don’t see many colour pictures, and every previous model has had black…. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 30 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said: Just had a quick look in 'Locomotives in details No 5 - Riddles class 6/7', Dave Clark 2006. References to the green cylinder covers (72009 quoted in the text although the photographic evidence shows only 72008) and green firebox sides but no mention at all of the green tops to the running plates. Same in the section for the Brits. I'd really like to see some concrete evidence for this as they really stand out. Some good new pictures of the models on Monk Bar Model Shops facebook page https://www.facebook.com/monkbarmodels/photos/pcb.4389436241123280/4389435554456682/?__cft__[0]=AZUDmiw8Kzx5KN1W-qGKtRnuf6U3MUu4Ms45eA4RnTmFbOCXlFO4ov1qc6dtQ6Phq0Uex0WZ7EwQWGlzZ2_dhDvSD6CSg-D--Z_ptEsoK7OwAsQr4eTdauO-Z2zSYixsyh8&__tn__=*bH-R for those that have access - I can't copy to this thread as not my images. It has to be said that those photos don't look as bad as the one above - but it's still far from what other producers interpret as BR Passenger Loco Green livery - and so, it's far from how the prototype appeared. CJI. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2021 Sorry but I did see the prototype in service and this representation does it no service 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted October 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, cctransuk said: It has to be said that those photos don't look as bad as the one above - but it's still far from what other producers interpret as BR Passenger Loco Green livery - and so, it's far from how the prototype appeared. CJI. Thats the nail on the head for me - doesnt look like the prototype. Hornby wont be bothered but sales from me lost purely on livery in the last 2 years: 46211, 46257 both recent Thompson Pacifics and now a Clan. It isnt the prices (eye watering as they are) its the colour of the final product thats the problem. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said: Thats the nail on the head for me - doesnt look like the prototype. Hornby wont be bothered but sales from me lost purely on livery in the last 2 years: 46211, 46257 both recent Thompson Pacifics and now a Clan. It isnt the prices (eye watering as they are) its the colour of the final product thats the problem. That and no response to pressure to improve paint finish when dissatisfaction with it is evident 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted October 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ian Hargrave said: That and no response to pressure to improve paint finish when dissatisfaction with it is evident Only glimmer of light is that Tony Wright of this parish said on his thread that he is being asked for advice. I fear we wont see the results for a while though, I guess the Clan left the factory months ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted October 5, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, MikeParkin65 said: Just had a quick look in 'Locomotives in details No 5 - Riddles class 6/7', Dave Clark 2006. References to the green cylinder covers (72009 quoted in the text although the photographic evidence shows only 72008) and green firebox sides but no mention at all of the green tops to the running plates. Same in the section for the Brits. I'd really like to see some concrete evidence for this as they really stand out. Some good new pictures of the models on Monk Bar Model Shops facebook page https://www.facebook.com/monkbarmodels/photos/pcb.4389436241123280/4389435554456682/?__cft__[0]=AZUDmiw8Kzx5KN1W-qGKtRnuf6U3MUu4Ms45eA4RnTmFbOCXlFO4ov1qc6dtQ6Phq0Uex0WZ7EwQWGlzZ2_dhDvSD6CSg-D--Z_ptEsoK7OwAsQr4eTdauO-Z2zSYixsyh8&__tn__=*bH-R for those that have access - I can't copy to this thread as not my images. They look better but still not convinced at the green running plate . Even if Clan Stewart had a special paint job with green cylinders , that may have resulted in green running plate (although I'm not convinced) Clan MacDonald should be in the standard scheme . Maybe Hornby could reveal their sources . Was the green running plate evident on the video they put out ? Edited October 5, 2021 by Legend 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
creilly81 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 2 hours ago, MikeParkin65 said: Just had a quick look in 'Locomotives in details No 5 - Riddles class 6/7', Dave Clark 2006. References to the green cylinder covers (72009 quoted in the text although the photographic evidence shows only 72008) and green firebox sides but no mention at all of the green tops to the running plates. Same in the section for the Brits. I'd really like to see some concrete evidence for this as they really stand out. Some good new pictures of the models on Monk Bar Model Shops facebook page https://www.facebook.com/monkbarmodels/photos/pcb.4389436241123280/4389435554456682/?__cft__[0]=AZUDmiw8Kzx5KN1W-qGKtRnuf6U3MUu4Ms45eA4RnTmFbOCXlFO4ov1qc6dtQ6Phq0Uex0WZ7EwQWGlzZ2_dhDvSD6CSg-D--Z_ptEsoK7OwAsQr4eTdauO-Z2zSYixsyh8&__tn__=*bH-R for those that have access - I can't copy to this thread as not my images. Here is 72009 with the green cylinder covers.... Taken from the Clan Project's website here https://www.theclanproject.org/images/Clans/72009_1.jpg The photo from your facebook link displaying both models 72004 and 72009 look perfectly ok to me in terms of livery shade and lining colour. To me, something doesn't seem quite right with the original picture posted in this thread, which appears to indicate a yellow lining and a more southern green on 72009..... I've been to my local model shop only this morning and caught a glimpse of the newly release 72009 and it looked identical to the one in the facebook link, which looks fine..... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmdon Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) must confess with the later pictures I've been warming to it - I think I can get a bit of weathering on 72004 and sort out the running plate. I don't believe I should have to, but I reckon I can. actually, as a returning modeller, am I better off paying someone to sort out the running plate in this instance, or doing it myself? And, if the latter, what's the best way? Edited October 5, 2021 by Helmdon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2021 30 minutes ago, creilly81 said: Here is 72009 with the green cylinder covers.... Taken from the Clan Project's website here https://www.theclanproject.org/images/Clans/72009_1.jpg The photo from your facebook link displaying both models 72004 and 72009 look perfectly ok to me in terms of livery shade and lining colour. To me, something doesn't seem quite right with the original picture posted in this thread, which appears to indicate a yellow lining and a more southern green on 72009..... I've been to my local model shop only this morning and caught a glimpse of the newly release 72009 and it looked identical to the one in the facebook link, which looks fine..... “Something doesn’t look right “:? Which one are you talking about,the one one the left or the right? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
creilly81 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Ian Hargrave said: “Something doesn’t look right “:? Which one are you talking about,the one one the left or the right? What I meant was, the picture itself isn’t right because there is a huge difference in the one of the left which is the up to date model, and how the model actually looks in the flesh. I’ve seen the actual newly released model for myself and the green is nothing like the light green depicted in the picture nor is the lining yellow as the picture suggests. the actual model looks extremely accurate…. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sidelines Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, creilly81 said: What I meant was, the picture itself isn’t right because there is a huge difference in the one of the left which is the up to date model, and how the model actually looks in the flesh. I’ve seen the actual newly released model for myself and the green is nothing like the light green depicted in the picture nor is the lining yellow as the picture suggests. the actual model looks extremely accurate…. It is what it is! Lighting and colour is always difficult. I will take some pictures when I have finished the washing up. My immediate reaction on unboxing both new Clan models was that the lining along the footplate was too yellow and as others have said the lining on the cab is different in colour to the lining on the tender. The shade of green is also lighter than the old Sanda Kahn Britannia and Clan models. Cheers Ray 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 5, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2021 36 minutes ago, creilly81 said: What I meant was, the picture itself isn’t right because there is a huge difference in the one of the left which is the up to date model, and how the model actually looks in the flesh. I’ve seen the actual newly released model for myself and the green is nothing like the light green depicted in the picture nor is the lining yellow as the picture suggests. the actual model looks extremely accurate…. Yes,well Ray,the photographer has replied for himself as is his right .The question I asked was which one of the two doesn’t look right to you. ? Because both of them can’t be right,can they as there is a marked discrepancy in shade The example on the right is….an example from the first issue now a decade or more old…Try a match with the photograph you have supplied with your post. With respect to your final summation.on accuracy, the paint finish on this model does not justify the accolade.Posting as one among more than a few who have raised issues for years over poor Hornby paint finish. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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