Red Devil Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 'orrible, looks much better in the pre unveiling pics! I don't know if it's just me but for some reason they remind me Del boys Reliant Robin, less green more yellow and rehash the logo to Freightliner, New York, Paris, Peckham and I think it'll look great! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 8, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2009 There are some really odd design features on the rest of the cab too. Just behind the cab side window there is a protrusion that appears to have the sole point of containing the handrail, or does it hold the door frame? I assume the side windows were canted in to get greater height rather than following the loading gauge more closely like the afore-mentioned handrail enclosure. I've still not warmed to the cabs design on this machine although the main body looks pretty standard GE in the USA. Big sandboxes on the sides of the tank and lots of access doors. Now if only they'd built the cab more like the US version but with a shorter snout and hidden those anticlimbers with some nearly flush bodywork. This is one engine that badly needed a bit of input from a good Industrial Designer rather than just rounding off the corners by engineers. Take a look at the aggresive nose on the RhB's new Allegra units to see good industrial design. http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=302314&nseq=14 See? much better and still looks angry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WR Tim Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Does anyone know what the timetable for these locos is from here on? I know that one is going to Stoke Gifford for training with Heavyhaul and that the other is going for training elsewhere, but will they have a long period of checks by Network Rail the way that the 60s and 92s did when they were introduced or can I expect to see the Stoke Gifford loco buzzing around Bristol light engine on training runs in the next few days? Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60maniac Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Jack it was 70001-002 i think 3,4,5 are on their way but can't remember Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 ....Take a look at the aggresive nose on the RhB's new Allegra units to see good industrial design. http://www.railpictu...=302314&nseq=14 See? much better and still looks angry. Yeah, looks ok, pity about the jumpers though. Couldn't they have hidden them somewhere? Jack it was 70001-002 i think 3,4,5 are on their way but can't remember 70001 and 2 have arrived at Newport. 70003-6 are the ones due for loading in the US soon. These 6 are the pre-series locos, for initial testing, then the remaining 24 will follow on cheers jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Does anyone know what the timetable for these locos is from here on? I know that one is going to Stoke Gifford for training with Heavyhaul and that the other is going for training elsewhere, but will they have a long period of checks by Network Rail the way that the 60s and 92s did when they were introduced or can I expect to see the Stoke Gifford loco buzzing around Bristol light engine on training runs in the next few days? Tim As it's a brand-new design, from a manufacturer with no experience of supplying the mainline UK companies, I would have thought that it would have had to have gauging checks, EMC and braking tests by one of the Vehicle Acceptance Bodies before being allowed to run under its own power. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 9, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 9, 2009 As it's a brand-new design, from a manufacturer with no experience of supplying the mainline UK companies, I would have thought that it would have had to have gauging checks, EMC and braking tests by one of the Vehicle Acceptance Bodies before being allowed to run under its own power. An awful lot of stuff is now done on paper before the kit comes anywhere near the railway and presumably some of the compliance was tested at the factory so we might not see anything like the old BR amount of testing etc before it starts to roll around the network. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris101 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Seems to have a distinct lack of British design flair, which is bad enough, but the real shame is that Freightliner probably had little or no choice in investing millions of pounds abroard to aquire new locomotives, no wonder this country is in a recession. I cant quite see why they look so pleased with themselves in the PR shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaGrange Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 This is what they might sound like B) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSqw9Yn_RMQ or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKJp_5lKiXI&feature=related Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 ...the real shame is that Freightliner probably had little or no choice in investing millions of pounds abroard to aquire new locomotives.... Realistically, there aren't any British loco manufacturers left, so any orders for new loco's will go abroad. It's been like that for years. The only manufacturer left in the UK, is the Canadian company Bombardier, who are kept busy building large numbers of Electro and Turbo Stars. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris101 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Yeah I know, its somewhat infuriating, and very depressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Looking at the cab interior....I wonder who is going to be the first driver to smack his / her head on the vertical support by the sliding window.... Nidge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3chordboy Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 initial reaction was disgust... looked too much like one of the big american trucks. however, its already growing on me. i quite like the rear view windows on the cabs. actually, just looked through photos on the other links and the design has grown on me even more. strange... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Realistically, there aren't any British loco manufacturers left, so any orders for new loco's will go abroad. It's been like that for years. The only manufacturer left in the UK, is the Canadian company Bombardier, who are kept busy building large numbers of Electro and Turbo Stars. . I'm not sure that's fair, Brush Traction is still about and overhauling a lot of engines (including the Brush built Euro Shuttle machines) still... The class 70 us growing on me the more I see it. I might buy one of these to paint in a fictional (more functional) livery. EWS red/gold? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big T Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I hear that locos are due at depots in the small hours of tonight/tomorrow morning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I'm not sure that's fair, Brush Traction is still about and overhauling a lot of engines (including the Brush built Euro Shuttle machines) still... Oops ! How did I forget Brush ? Still British owned too. I wonder if they still have the capacity to manufacture fleet sizes? Their last big order was for the Class 9's and the last ones were completed over 7 years ago. Their last diesel loco (class 60) was designed over 20 years ago and production was completed in the early nineties (16 years ago?). I suppose the overhauling and repair work is a much scaled down operation compared to what they were like 10 to 20 years ago. Also, ramping up a production facilty for a small'ish run of UK gauge diesels may not be the most worthwhile investment, especially so if there's no guarantee of further orders to come later. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 OK - I'll do it - what are we going to nickname these things ??????? I quite like the comparison with Delboys' Reliant Robin So how about "TROTTERS" for a first suggestion ??? :icon_what: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted November 10, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 10, 2009 66 en route to get them from Newport (docks), then off to Bristol - let the frothing begin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Looks like something that has escaped from Chuggington. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Orville - with cheeks like that and green it's Orville the Duck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibuchan Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 from what i have been told, they both went to a depot in bristol, but i cant remember the name of the place at the moment!! one was left there and the other was moved up to the midlands (possibly the Freigthliner container terminal in birmingham but again not good with names) but as the lickey was closed for works it came through Kidderminster and Stourbridge at some ungodly time yesterday morning. something like 03.30. My contact that I have had no idea that it was coming up until 02.30 and decided against waking me up which was the right idea. Alistair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigZ Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 A curiosity here is that the 70s are being moved from the factory at Erie, Pennsylvania to port on flat cars and not on their own wheels. The Class 66s are moved on their own wheels... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 from what i have been told, they both went to a depot in bristol, but i cant remember the name of the place at the moment!! one was left there and the other was moved up to the midlands (possibly the Freigthliner container terminal in birmingham but again not good with names) but as the lickey was closed for works it came through Kidderminster and Stourbridge at some ungodly time yesterday morning. something like 03.30. My contact that I have had no idea that it was coming up until 02.30 and decided against waking me up which was the right idea. Alistair As I type this they should have not long arrived at Stoke Gifford yard (basically Bristol Parkway) with 66585 as motive power. Either later tonight, or tomorrow night, 70001 will head north to Lawley St. Not sure if it'll stay here, or be moved again for crew training, as I've also heard of it heading to Ipswich and Leeds. All from reliable gen sources too cheers jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 11, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2009 A curiosity here is that the 70s are being moved from the factory at Erie, Pennsylvania to port on flat cars and not on their own wheels. The Class 66s are moved on their own wheels... ahha, lofc traffic appears in the USofA B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 They have got to be the ugliest loco in the world I hate them they are horrible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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