DMU's & EMU's in Blue SYP

[Swindon 123]

Great topic this. I've been collecting photo's of units in blue with small yellow panels for years now, ( also those with wrap round yellow ends), and have managed to find shots of the following classes.

Early Derby & Met- Camm Lightweight units, Class 100, 101/2, 103, 104, 105, 107, 108, 109, 113, 114, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121, 122, 125, 128 and 130. Unfortunately not all the photo's allow vehicle identification, but only a few classes seem to have not had BSYP, almost certainly Cl 123 & 124. I'm sure I've seen shots of Cl 110 & 112 in BSYP but so far I can't remember seeing shots of Cl 111, 115 &127.

Alan Rintoul wrote,

Gloucester class 100 MBS car no. SC51117 ran in blue with small yellow panel until 1973. I cannot recall any of the DTC cars in this livery.

 

I have got a shot of a Cl 100 DTC in BSYP. Its off the web so cannot post. Can't remember what site it is but its at a Scottish location so maybe one of the many sites covering Scotland may throw it up.

 

Once again a good thread. Maybe some one can fill the gaps I've got.

 

Paul J.

 

PS. Forgot to add that one photo I've found in Traction, issue 122, Dec 2004 page 27 shows a 3 car 101 with the leading DMC and TC in that dull, flat early blue with SYP. It is very noticable as the DMC has some patch painted Rail Blue on it and the DMBS at the back is in Rail Blue and the shade is very different. Quite a few early blue repaints appear in this flat blue colour.

[Natalie]

As promised here are some notes from the 1965 and 1966 Railway Observer regarding blue repaints:

January 1966 RO:

New standard sets in the series 046-70 are now in use. All these sets are painted unlined rail blue- with the inset lower front of the driving cab solid yellow, showing the set number n black on the near side. This set number also appears in much smaller white figures on the blue on the off side.

 

May 1966 RO:

The frames for the new batch of AM10 units, 074-095 had only just been laid at Derby C&W Works at the end of February. (NCJ note- could it be that this batch were the first ones to receive the revised bsyp - with the larger yellow- when compared to the earlier units?) Until these are available, five AM4 units will have to be used, and are being specially painted in blue to match the AM10s. First two repaints noted are 028 and 032.

 

June 1966 RO:

The five AM4 sets mentioned as being painted in unlined blue to fill in at Euston for forthcoming AM10 sets are: 002/5/28/32/38.

 

August 1966 RO:

LM Region: Further blue painted sets are 313/9/37/9/40 (note: is this an error ? Should it have been 013 etc?)

 

A visit to Eastleigh Carriage Works on 18th June 1966 revealed driving trailer (recently converted) S76331 of 4-TC unit 401. The coach was painted in matt rail blue with the new BR emblem at the front end. (note: this coach was only in 401 until 10-67 when it swapped places with spare S76270) MLV S68001 had recently been repainted (note- no livery details given though though my list records it as getting bgfye c7-70)

 

September 1966 RO:

GE section units 004, 214 and 404 are the first to receive blue livery.

It is thought that at least twelve AM4 sets are now in the new livery.

 

October 1966 RO:

ER sets 005, 102/3/33/43, 216/8/9, 408/34/52 and SR sets 1103, 4127 and 5763 have been repainted plain blue, whilst Clacton set 625 sports rail blue and grey livery. (There is a pic of the unit here taken at Colchester in January 1968 showing it in blue/grey with yellow gangwayed door only.)

 

I need to dig out the issues from 1968 onwards to extract the info from them but do have 1970 available:

 

June 1970 RO:

Scottish Region emus:

Rail blue with yellow panels: 028/32/39/77/79

Rail blue with full yellow ends: 001-4/8-11/15-18/20-22/25/27/29-31/33-38/41-45/47/53/61/68-70/78/83/87/90-110

Of the bfye units above, 008/10/90/92-110 received yellow ends carried round to include the motorman's doors, 092-110 were delivered in this livery and 092-94/96, 100/106 have since been repainted in the standard livery.

 

This would leave 005-7/12-14/19/21-24/26/40/46/48-52/54-60/62-67/71-76/80-82/84-86/88/89 either still in original Caledonian blue or unreported or withdrawn.

 

July 1970 RO:

Liveries of Glossop line units are as follows (motors taken as representative of whole unit):

Blue with yellow panels: M59401M

Blue with full yellow ends: M59402/4-8M

 

M59403M was in Horwich works undergoing overhaul and was expected to reappear in blue with full yellow ends and M suffix.

 

September 1970 RO:

Scottish Region:

The following units are now in blue with full yellow ends: 005-8/12-14/19/23/24/26/28/32/39/40/46/51/54-58/60/62/63/65/67/71-74/76/81/84-86/88-90/95/97/98, 102/104/105/109

 

Compared to the list in June 1970 there are a number of differences. Is the September list additional units in bfye- (it would appear to me to be so)? if so this leaves the following units still to be reported on: 021/22/48-50/52/59/64/66/75/80/82. It would also mean that bsyp existed still only on 077 and 079 and units with the wrapround full yellow ends on: 010/099, 101/103/107/108/110.

 

October 1970 RO:

The following Altrincham line vehicles (AM1) remain in gsyp: M28579/80/87/94M, M29653-5M, M29240/41/50M

Blue with full yellow ends: M28571-74/76/78/81/85/88/89/92/93M M29231-33/35/38/39/42-44/47/48M

Blue with small yellow panels: M28590M, M29246M, M29251M.

Blue trailers are: M29650/56-58/60/62/63/66-71M

[Natalie]

Some links to photos online that show bsyp liveried units:

 

First is of clacton set 621 which was the other known of its class that carried the very rare bgsyp.

 

Very rare shot of Hastings units 1016 shown at Petts Wood in March 1968.

 

4-EPB 5205 at Petts Wood in May 1967

 

2-HAP 6021 at Petts Wood in May 1967

 

2-HAP 5608 at Liss in June 1968

 

4-COR 3108 at Clapham Cutting in July 1967

 

4-COR 3103 at Southwick c1969

 

4-CEP 7121 at Orpington in January 1968

 

4-CEP 7132 at Petts Wood in October 1967

 

4-VEP 7701 at Clapham Junc in June 1967

 

4-VEP 7707 at Wimbledon in June 1967

 

4-VEP 7708 near Woking 1967

 

4-TC 420 at Wimbledon in May 1970

 

4-TC 422 running as a 3-TC at Kemp town in September 1967

 

4-REP 3001 at Vauxhall in July 1967

 

4-REP 3002 at Wimbledon in May 1967

 

AM2 240 at Grays in September 1969

 

AM3 036 at Glasgow Central in March 1967

 

AM4 036 at Newton Road LC

['CHARD]

Class 108 BSYP on the S&C

http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/5669349153/in/pool-1307883@N23/

[MUTTLEY]

Gloucester class 100 MBS car no. SC51117 ran in blue with small yellow panel until 1973. I cannot recall any of the DTC cars in this livery.

 

If the date on this is to be believed, it lasted until September 1974 at least. Must be the last BSYP of ANY type, to remain in service....

 

SC51117 BSYP, 4 September 1974

 

Rgds, Ron.

[steve1023]

Just read this thread with interest and cant really add much to it but to say thanks for all the info provided - I do have a soft spot especially on the SR units in this livery (modelzone Bachmann 2 EPB ordered and waiting).

 

Just to add to the list I have a reprint of the 1968 Ian Allan ABC which has a picture of ER EMU set 264 in BSYP and WR DMMU set 402 also in BSYP with a white cab roof.

 

Regards

Steve

[Northern Maiden]

Class 126 DMU's worked out of Ayr in the late 60's in BSYP and there are also pics of Metro Cammell 101s at various locations in Scotland running in this livery.

 

Hows about a lovely 303 Emu in Caledonian Blue with SYP ...does that count?

[keefer]

the oakwood press books covering the 'st. andrews railway' or 'anstruther & st. andrews railway' have several (b/w) pics of DMUs in the early (flat with small numbers etc) blue, possibly also pics of wrap-round yellow ends.

 

(can't find my copies, so working from memory)

[mike hughes]

Come across a class 100 DTC 56300 in the below link

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/6735982749/in/photostream

 

Michael

[Jamie]

Interesting group of shots round about here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/6774469516/in/photostream

from the last day of passenger services to Grangemouth.

 

Transitional liveries visible range from a AC Cars railbus lacking a yellow panel through blue SYP and blue with wrap-round yellow Met-Camm DMUs.

Tellingly, the linked shot shows the blue SYP unit pass the plain green railbus. I'm quite surprised that the whiskers on that particular 'bus hadn't given way to yellow panels even by '68.

[Guest Max Stafford]

Marvellous, time capsule images of a transition full in its fury as services and entire classes of vehicle are eclipsed, a new look begins to emerge and the systematic savaging of the network's capacity gathers momentum!

 

Dave.

[Pennine MC]

 

Tellingly, the linked shot shows the blue SYP unit pass the plain green railbus. I'm quite surprised that the whiskers on that particular 'bus hadn't given way to yellow panels even by '68.

 

Probably the same AC 'bus that we used a Colour Rail shot of in 'Modelling the BR Era' - that was dated the previous summer and I think I've made reference to it before. Obviously this adds another seven months onto the 'last whiskers' date.

[Porcy Mane]

Seen on ebay...

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/260991483587?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2648

 

No connection etc.

 

Porcy

[Baby Deltic]

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[robertcwp]

Gloucester class 100 MBS car no. SC51117 ran in blue with small yellow panel until 1973. I cannot recall any of the DTC cars in this livery.

100_LowestoftC_4-10-70 by robertcwp, on Flickr

 

This is a colour image taken on the same day as the B&W one linked above.

Edited May 27, 2012 by robertcwp

[robertcwp]

Another unusual one - an experiment I believe:

 

 

Note that this is a very small part of a half-frame 35mm slide!

Edited May 27, 2012 by robertcwp

[Jamie]

Sunshine on Leith highlights variations on a corporate image theme:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=39836

 

[keefer]

that's a cracker right enough jamie.

 

just occured to me how different liveries look more different on the met-camms, before realising it's because there's no roofline/dome - the front end is all end!

['CHARD]

Derby:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/5547544849/in/set-72157626320516144/

[creweboy]

Going back to the Altrincham DC Units (Class 505) , (just a note these were not AM1 (that was the Lanchaster-Heysham class 301 Units as they were AC!))

 

Did any of these units have the Blue; Full yellow ends, but with the extended wrap around yellow (probably to include the drivers door, sure I saw a photo but can't find it), this livery was found on some LMR 304s and some Class 504s. Not sure if any Mersey electric units recieved this livery, which was applied to some DMUs aswell.

[leopardml2341]

Here's one I'd not seen until tonight:-

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/95062750@N04/9264627378/sizes/o/in/photostream/

[keefer]

Going back to the Altrincham DC Units (Class 505) , (just a note these were not AM1 (that was the Lanchaster-Heysham class 301 Units as they were AC!))

 

Did any of these units have the Blue; Full yellow ends, but with the extended wrap around yellow (probably to include the drivers door, sure I saw a photo but can't find it), this livery was found on some LMR 304s and some Class 504s. Not sure if any Mersey electric units recieved this livery, which was applied to some DMUs aswell.

 

don't know about the 505s, but at least one cl. 506 received wrap-round ends in early blue

 

unit 04, with M59604M and M59404M (presumably the trailer was M59504M?) 

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/2154552754/in/set-72157607267122063

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/2153759309/in/set-72157607267122063/

[keefer]

Here's one I'd not seen until tonight:-

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/95062750@N04/9264627378/sizes/o/in/photostream/

 

great pic andy - i never realised these units had 1st. class (and quite a bit too!)

[robertcwp]

Here is a recent addition to my collection:

 

120_blue_unknown by robertcwp, on Flickr

[bingley hall]

Going back to the Altrincham DC Units (Class 505) , (just a note these were not AM1 (that was the Lanchaster-Heysham class 301 Units as they were AC!))

 

Did any of these units have the Blue; Full yellow ends, but with the extended wrap around yellow (probably to include the drivers door, sure I saw a photo but can't find it), this livery was found on some LMR 304s and some Class 504s. Not sure if any Mersey electric units recieved this livery, which was applied to some DMUs aswell.

 

Several to be found in this flickr set, wrap round, but not including the drivers door