phil gollin Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 You ordered yours last June? You must be psychic! I had to wait until they formally announced it in January this year. Any chance you can tell what to be ordering in 2013? : ) Sorry (!) - January . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattog Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Received mine today and I must say full credit to Hornby for producing such a splendid model. The only criticism I have is for the packaging. The polystyrene tray makes removing and repackaging it a little nerve-racking given the fine detailed parts. And the tissue tends to disintegrate quite easily. It's not something you want to do that often. Having said that, the solution is to compress the polystyrene a little prior to sliding them back in - seems to work okay and saves you having to nervously wiggle them back in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caddy Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Received mine today and I must say full credit to Hornby for producing such a splendid model. The only criticism I have is for the packaging. The polystyrene tray makes removing and repackaging it a little nerve-racking given the fine detailed parts. And the tissue tends to disintegrate quite easily. It's not something you want to do that often. Having said that, the solution is to compress the polystyrene a little prior to sliding them back in - seems to work okay and saves you having to nervously wiggle them back in. I won't have these problems, my set will be staying on the layout! The problem with high demand and limited production is that Hornby are playing right into the hands of the ebay "scalpers" - what price will these sets be fetching on ebay soon if no further production is scheduled? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 The problem with high demand and limited production is that Hornby are playing right into the hands of the ebay "scalpers" - what price will these sets be fetching on ebay soon if no further production is scheduled? I'd have thought that because they have sold out so quickly will mean that there is a rapid second run of these, but with different numbers because that's the way they work these days. Might be a larger batch though because the first lot sold so quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) I'd have thought that because they have sold out so quickly will mean that there is a rapid second run of these, but with different numbers because that's the way they work these days. Might be a larger batch though because the first lot sold so quickly. It does not always follow that because a 'new' product initially sells well, subsequent production does likewise, it is not that easy to judge how ongoing sales will in the current financial climate. It could be that most of the demand is already satisfied. Also I would imagine that given the limited production facilities which seems to be available at the factory it might not be that simple to produce a further batch quickly. Edited June 21, 2012 by Stevelewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 21, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2012 It will be interesting to see what happens when the rest of this production run arrives. Will it all sell out or will retailers be left with some on their shelves and not have the cash available to invest in new product? Hornby however seem to be getting it right with production matched approximately to demand - as long as none of these coach sets are left on their shelves they've done the job properly albeit possibly with a bit of unsatisfied demand and in the current economic climate that's exactly how they should be running their business - and hoping for a similar result with everything they produce. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torn-on-the-platform Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) It could be that most of the demand is already satisfied Not quite - I missed the boat! Surely we can trust Mr Kohler's response that there will be more on their way? I sincerely doubt that demand is satisfied. I'm sure that most who identified the 'need' for one on their layout or within their collection will have pre-ordered and received theirs, but not everyone has the financial stability to pre-order months in advance. I would expect that there will be a fair few people try to snap up the next batch for later inflated sale on eBay too, and I can see them going just as fast as the first lot. Let's not forget its a relatively cheap way of getting hold of a complete and accurate train and will perhaps be the catalyst for many a southern micro-layout. 610 seems to have been a particularly widely travelled set, spending time as the Westerham Flyer and on the South West section so that will probably have enhanced its sales. *edited for spelling* Edited June 21, 2012 by Torn-on-the-platform Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 . It is still available at Hornby's on-line store ( £74.99 - post free ) - I ordered mine yesterday and it arrived 11:00 this morning. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles73128 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I had a heck of job finding any retailers with them in stock, but eventually found one at a good price. Arrived this morning, it's superb! Demand vs supply is always tricky to get right, as it's ultimately a niche item, but I'm sure another batch would sell, there must be people that have not been able to get one. Bizarre that retailers are saying it's discontinued with no further supply, yet Hornby say there's more coming? I'll be watching eBay with interest, anybody guess at over £100 for the first? lol 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Re: 'Order cancelled' notifications I may be reading more into this, than I ought,...but... ....Is this Hornby's way of limiting supplies to the major 'box shifters' , and by doing so, guarantees the smaller retailer a fairer share of the market ?. Something along the lines of Bachmann's advice to retailers, earlier this year, with regard, not to discount more than 15% off RRP for a period of 8 weeks after their release of a new product. Reading between the lines, it appears, to me (only?), that the manufacturers are realising that they have to re-instore confidence among the small model shops... .Without which, we'll all have to shop at.......Hattons......Tescos.......Rails........Sainsburys.......? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Belgian Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Looking at the photo in post 67 herein and those on Hattons and Rails websites, it appears that not only has 30029 got the 'wrong' smokebox without rivetheads, and dogs on the smokebox door but also has a rather poorer chimney rim profile than earlier releases, being somewhat thick on the edges and a little 'scratched'. Has the mould already been worked to death? JE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 21, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2012 Despite the pull-push sets appearing nearly 10 years after my intended timeframe, I began to be a bit concerned about whether these were ever going to see the light of day again. Then there was the question of a suitable loco. I do have a pull-push fitted M7 - but it wears SR olive, which would be silly. Obviously the full set with period M7 made more and more sense. An Internet search found this http://www.rrrmodels.co.uk/Hornby-r3087-pullpush-train-pack-coaches-p-2898.html?osCsid=6bjl9aco4qgaf8j3lmtg7rqnp1 for £152 post-paid worldwide. Too good to miss, so I've plunged in head-first. I will ignore the errors on 30029's smokebox.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles73128 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 A side thought, with the sales success of the Push Pull, it proves there would be a good market for a BIL? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NINJA Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Any been on E-bay yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 21, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 21, 2012 Any been on E-bay yet? Yes, of course. The usual ebay sellers had them on there at sensible prices, and they no doubt shifted quickly. None that I can find now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 My coach pack arrived yesterday and the models do look rather nice. I didn't go for the full train pack as I already have two black M7s with push-pull (or pull-push!) equipment. The coach set has not actually turned a wheel on my layout, yet ... maybe after work today ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markeg Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 No doubt SRman, you will enjoy running some new coaches on your layout, with a southern region flavour. The Pull-Push set look excellent. I was tempted, but decided no. I have 5 locos to come over the next 6 months and now have some O gauge track to add to the budget. I have ordered a OO gauge LNER Push-Pull coach from Kirk/Coopercraft. There is another batch on the way in July. Enjoy Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted June 22, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 22, 2012 (edited) Mine arrived yesterday as well - as others have said it really is superb. Fortunately mine came out and went back into the polystyrene tray with no problems - it wasn't wedged tightly at all. The newly announced R3159 M7 30055 is illustrated on the back of the box. It is in lined black with late crest. EDIT: to delete incorrect information - as per Graham's post below. Edited June 26, 2012 by brushman47544 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted June 22, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 22, 2012 The newly announced R3159 M7 30055 is illustrated on the back of the box. It is in lined black with late crest but, from the side on view shown, it appears that the smokebox has the same errors period-wise as 30029 in the train pack. I am afraid you have made an incorrect assumption with respect to the use of dog clamps on the smokebox door, this is a variation within the class and is not period related. Whilst 30029 as modelled by Hornby is incorrect as she retained solely the smokebox dart, the dog clamp arrangement is totally correct for 30055 as in the livery of the Hornby release. I hope this clarifies and will stop any perpetuation about errors that are not actually errors. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Max Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Modelzone in Derby still have the push pull sets in stock at reasonable prices. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_R Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 For anybuddy in, or near, the Poole, Dorset area, Setchfields, 21-25 High Street, Poole, BH15 1AB, Tel. 01202 673300 had, at least two of each (R4534 / R3087) packs, yesterday. I don't think they offer mail-order service tho'. No e-mail or website either. Many thanks for the 'heads up' - arrived down in Dorset on holiday today and just popped into Setchfields and snapped up the last one of the coach packs [R4534]! Actually the set is described on box as both R4534 AND R4524 just to confuse things!?! Thanks again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 For those still looking - The Hereford Model Centre still seems to have some stock - They arrived here (Canada) in record time to day a week after ordering Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NINJA Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Looking through some colour portfolios for additional info on the pull-pushes, keep coming across pic's of the Adams Radial tanks, surely this is a model that is overdue to be manufactured by the main strean rtr factories. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Graham Muz has clarified his understanding of the outstanding deliveries on his website ; "............As per my subsequent post regarding availability of these sets here further deliveries to complete retailers outstanding pre-orders of R3087 and R4534 should be completed in July. I would add that this does not mean that retailers whom have either not got outstanding orders or ordered enough at the time will be able to order more of this batch as they may already be all accounted for." . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 . Well ! Yet another call from a Liverpudlian box shifter ( really good customer service ) - confirming that Hornby will get SOME more coach sets delivered, but that that PARTICULAR box shifter won't be getting any more. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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