coachmann Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 The Man Vic Bacup set shot is 1961 from memory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted March 18, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 18, 2012 Given that Bachmann's record on 1st generation DMUs has been very good, I too am with Jim on this one. That said, early versions of the tooling Heljan had for the 128 looked good on a quick inspection and the new railcars look to have been well executed. So undoubtedly Heljan have done many good models but on DMUs things like the side profile which can be quite different on similar looking classes are very important. I have seen the Heljan 0 guage Mk1s and I am not impressed. Additionally, unlike say, Dapol, they do not seem to respond to feedback on CAD images when errors are pointed out but press ahead regardless. Hopefully the Heljan 128 will be correct and will be the first in a series but for something new like the 120 or the 116, if I had to choose a manufacture to make them, it would be Bachmann. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Did Heljan cock up the W&M railbus then? From what I saw on our training layout today, absolutely no way. The Heljan railbus is very very sweet, and suffer just one flaw, which afflicts most models. Bloody pure marker lights !!!! If the DPU comes out at that kind of quality, and Heljan consider some long frame DMUs, then Bachmann and Hornby have serious competition 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 (edited) 220 Last ever train from Woodside by edgehillsignalman, on Flickr last train to leave Birkenhead Woodside 1967 Edited March 19, 2012 by michael delamar 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Naworth by cabsaab900, on Flickr 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 As I commented earlier in this thread though, a typical NER 4-car set had the brake in one of the trailers, which would necessitate a further body tool Not necessarily so Pennine. I believe there was a batch of four car sets with DMBS/TS/TC/DMC also used on the NE region..... Cheers. Sean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 From what I saw on our training layout today, absolutely no way. The Heljan railbus is very very sweet, and suffer just one flaw, which afflicts most models. Bloody pure marker lights !!!! If the DPU comes out at that kind of quality, and Heljan consider some long frame DMUs, then Bachmann and Hornby have serious competition I reckon Heljan will go after the pressed steel DMU's once current projects are put to bed. I'm only surmising, but I reckon it would be pretty lucrative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 220 Last ever train from Woodside by edgehillsignalman, on Flickr last train to leave Birkenhead Woodside 1967 And just take note of the lighting - just 1 DIM OIL LAMP. Stewart 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Not necessarily so Pennine. I believe there was a batch of four car sets with DMBS/TS/TC/DMC also used on the NE region..... I did say 'typical' I always choose my words carefully Sean, what with all the nitpickers round here I'd have to check, but I think that was due to some sets being ordered as triples but being delivered as twins and quads. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I did say 'typical' I always choose my words carefully Sean, what with all the nitpickers round here I'd have to check, but I think that was due to some sets being ordered as triples but being delivered as twins and quads. I hope you're not inferring I'm a nit picker Pennine?.... ;-) Either way, I'd like a four car set, but might take the easy option. I didn't realise these ones were destined to be three and two car sets though. I guess it demonstrates the versatility of the DMU fleet. Cheers. Sean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I did say 'typical' I always choose my words carefully Sean, what with all the nitpickers round here I'd have to check, but I think that was due to some sets being ordered as triples but being delivered as twins and quads. I hope you're not inferring I'm a nit picker Pennine?.... ;-) Either way, I'd like a four car set, but might take the easy option. I didn't realise these ones were destined to be three and two car sets though. I guess it demonstrates the versatility of the DMU fleet. Cheers. Sean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I hope you're not inferring I'm a nit picker Pennine?.... ;-) As if I didn't realise these ones were destined to be three and two car sets though. I guess it demonstrates the versatility of the DMU fleet. Cant remember where I read it, but looking at the RCTS listings (power cars numbered 51425 - 444 and 51495 - 514), it makes sense - there are enough cars for twenty triple sets, but listed as delivered as ten power twins and ten quads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I think one of the most inspirational shot of them is the opening sequence for "the likely lads" (the later ones filmed on Tyneside). Will the rare Buffet car get produced? Mark Saunders 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Liverpool Exchange by Kerry Parker (KP), on Flickr 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennine MC Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Thanks Mike - not able to check numbers ATM but if that's what I think it is and is formed correctly, it's what I mentioned earlier: Gary, Richard - thinking about it now, I'm not sure if any of the four-lamp Blue Square sets were delivered as twins, other than the very early 501xx MBS/560xx DTCL, which IIRC had Rolls Royce engines and were thus 111s. Only a hadful of sets, IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 (edited) Didn't cock up the Clayton either (well not the body / bogies anyhow)! Um, the cab is VERY wrong, sorry. Heljan have consistently proven they cannot get basic shapes right. They have a handful of models that are ok but most are a bit iffy and some are just hopeless. Add to that the poor manufacturing problems, (burnt out motors, crumbling chassis, over tight gearboxes etc etc) and I feel fully justified in my belief that they would most likely cock up a 116. If they do one and it's good enough I would buy about 20 sets. If they do one and it's basically right I would still buy them and do them up. If they do one that's bordering on unfixable (as many of their models are) then I won't. Simple as. If what Heljan do is good enough for someone else that's great (such as your clayton) that's great however I am only concerned if it's good enough for me and to use the clayton example (if I needed one that is) It would be a no-brainer to build the Judith edge kit as it actually looks like a real one. Cheers Jim Jim Edited March 24, 2012 by jim s-w Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 How much VERY wrong Jim? - Doesn't seem like there's that many folk have brought it up before - such that if it IS wrong then it's no one considers it worth bothering about.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jim s-w Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Hi bob It's obvious if you look at pictures and it was spoken about a lot when it came out. However I suspect it got lost is the fuss about the chassis problems. Like I said though, if you study a real one and the Heljan model and can't see the difference then why would you worry about it? just because I would shouldn't make a difference to what you think Cheers Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 I saw (at a guess) in the order of 50 of the real things Jim - day in day out both running and on the scrap lines at St.Rollox and Millerhill, so please don't tell me I don't know what I'm looking at or for. If there is a difference it's of such an insignificant amount (hence the reason I asked you to quantify it) that most reasonable folk wouldn't bother about it - even those prepared to cut up perfectly a good representation to recreate a specific loco down to the nth degree. If there is a difference and I'm not seeing it, well you'll just have to live with your opinion as I mine. I doubt very much any cab issue was masked by the problems with the chassis - there are as you know only to well, a few merely waiting for the hint of a new model to rip apart Heljan's output (meritted or not makes no difference) so I'll say again, where's the flood of moans regarding your problem with the roof? (BTW it seems like it's you that's bothered about it seeing as you raised it - and consequently amended your original posting from the one liner). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Bob, it's cool. Jim's just got a supercritical eye for detail and like he says, it's just 'his thing'. Mere mortals like you and me are still free to enjoy our models and unless you strive for the level of perfection that Jim clearly does (and demonstrably so when you check out New Street) then it's not really an issue. I can't see it and I don't particularly have any desire to. It's certainly not worth us all getting 'het up' about! Jim, I accept your point but please understand that the impressionists among us prefer not to get too encumbered with these subtleties as long as the overall picture is well blended and consistent. It's a broad church this with room for Swiss watchmakers like yourself and landscape painters like me. :-) Dave. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Thanks Dave. Apologies to everyone for tolerating my off-topic rant however back to the topic in hand. Going on the past form with the EMUs I'm sure Bachmann will be able to produce a model - perhaps not a vastly improved up top - but considerably better than the current Hornby model in particular in the underframe equipment department where the block "representation" cuts no ice. Not that that's a modern requirement, the block "engine" never cut it on the first release. By far the most difficult choice will be choosing what particular sets to represent for what period, as the changes - even between regional allocations were wide and varied - mainly because the refurbishment program turned out to be over expensive and lengthy and was reduced in scope as time went on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridwatcher Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Bob, it's cool. Jim's just got a supercritical eye for detail and like he says, it's just 'his thing'. Mere mortals like you and me are still free to enjoy our models and unless you strive for the level of perfection that Jim clearly does (and demonstrably so when you check out New Street) then it's not really an issue. I can't see it and I don't particularly have any desire to. It's certainly not worth us all getting 'het up' about! Jim, I accept your point but please understand that the impressionists among us prefer not to get too encumbered with these subtleties as long as the overall picture is well blended and consistent. It's a broad church this with room for Swiss watchmakers like yourself and landscape painters like me. :-) Dave. Hear hear! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 1963 - Green Met-Cams at Edinburgh by rgadsdon, on Flickr 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timara Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Nice shot you've found there Mike. Looks rather like a Gloucester twin behind that 3 car if I'm not mistaken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted May 19, 2012 Share Posted May 19, 2012 thought you'd like that one Tim just come across this shot.. c. 08/1965 - Callander. by 53A Models, on Flickr 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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