69843 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Apologies for any confusion that my post caused, but it looks like all the information is straight now. I did mean that Tangmere is the only Southern built locomotive with a wide cab in preservation, having had this changed at some point after withdrawal by BR, and same to the MN tender. Again, I apologise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted August 8, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2014 Apologies for any confusion that my post caused, but it looks like all the information is straight now. I did mean that Tangmere is the only Southern built locomotive with a wide cab in preservation, having had this changed at some point after withdrawal by BR, and same to the MN tender. Again, I apologise Interesting to note your original comments as I hadnt realised that it had so many changes in preservation. I would like to do a preserved version at some point and at least I am now aware before doing so. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Has Tangmere's cab been widened in preservation? It was originally built with a narrow one. From all that I have read, and all the pictures I have seen, Tangmere had a 9' cab fitted when restored See here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 A roughly comparitive shot to the one above of 34057 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted August 8, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2014 The above two pictures posted clearly show the difference and easiest way to spot a wide vrs narrow cab. The split line between the cab side and the boiler side casing starts straight away at the lower edge (level with the tender side lower edge) on the wide cab but does not start until higher up the cab side on the narrow cab version (level with the edge of the side casing above the wheels) The width of the flat front to the cab under the window line is also noticeably different. In model form 21C159 has the narrow cab the split starts level with the top of the black skirt 34090 has the wide cab 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 The cab spectacles are also noticeably wider on the 9' cab. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted August 8, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2014 My Tangmere does have the 4500 gallon tender - see photo in http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/55308-modelling-spam-cans-bulleid-pacifics/?p=689705 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted August 8, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2014 The cab spectacles are also noticeably wider on the 9' cab. Indeed they are just like the flat front face I mentioned but the split line is the easiest to spot when you don't have both versions side by side to compare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Odd thought, but if I was to look at doing a model of Shaw Savill with a 10,000gal, 10T 8-wheel tender (and other tweaks) as was mooted for the real thing, what would be the general thought on that? Good idea, or not a good idea? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted August 8, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 8, 2014 See here Definitely been widened in that shot. Can't put my finger on in but the cab looks somehow different from other 9' versions. I wonder if it's an illusion or if it's a preservation compromise outline. Weird. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedrahn Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Odd thought, but if I was to look at doing a model of Shaw Savill with a 10,000gal, 10T 8-wheel tender (and other tweaks) as was mooted for the real thing, what would be the general thought on that? Good idea, or not a good idea? Good idea, in my opinion - something different. However, does it really matter what anyone else thinks? If you want to build any model for your own pleasure, then that's the only justification you need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted August 8, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 8, 2014 Definitely been widened in that shot. Can't put my finger on in but the cab looks somehow different from other 9' versions. I wonder if it's an illusion or if it's a preservation compromise outline. Weird. Chris I agree, the roof line appears comes down at a different profile and lower than would have been usual, compare it to the shape of the spectacle plate on the tender, the top edge of the drivers window is also low compared to the line of the washout plugs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted August 8, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 8, 2014 ChrisI agree, the roof line appears comes down at a different profile and lower than would have been usual, compare it to the shape of the spectacle plate on the tender, the top edge of the drivers window is also low compared to the line of the washout plugs. I wonder if they used the original cab sidesheets and moved them out to 9'. This would make them slightly too short and the roof and spectacles slightly too low. Glad it wasn't just me. That's the hazard of spending too long studying processed meat containers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 34072 257 Squadron (4500 gal raved tender) However, I think in it's current overhaul, it might be losing the Raves... Artists impression of finished product: http://www.southern-locomotives.co.uk/Home_Pictures/257_450px.jpg It's tender is being re-tanked in Stockton (North Swanage), latest photo I can find of it: http://www.southern-locomotives.co.uk/News/Pictures/2014/05_tank_318.jpg I really hope they do fit raves, just won't look right without them... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted August 17, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 17, 2014 (edited) 34078 '222 Squadron' was playing up a few weeks ago, so this afternoon I had a go at the pick ups in the tender which weren't touching the inside of the wheels. The main loco pick ups also had a fettle.The loco is now running fine. This one is fitted with a Howes Loksound decoder so a little different sound to the Czech loco sitting nearby!!!Photo taken on a yet to be sceniced Dobris. Edited August 18, 2014 by roundhouse 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted August 18, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 18, 2014 Tonight, it's 34008 Padstows turn to have a health check. No split gears but again the tender pick ups weren't doing their job. I am surprised that I hadn't noticed this before as not one of them were touching the wheels. Will have to go thr ough the rest of the fleet in the coming days. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted August 18, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 18, 2014 Three ravers! 34078 34072 34075 Still lots of detailing work to do around the front ends and rear bogies. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Oxlade Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I know this is a very simple question (not sure if it is a simple answer), but at a quick glance, how can you tell MN from a WC/BB? Ignoring the original/rebuilt question obviously. I have noticed that there's a huge number of minor variations (smoke deflectors, etc.), but IN GENERAL what are the spotting differences between the heavy and light pacifics? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I know this is a very simple question (not sure if it is a simple answer), but at a quick glance, how can you tell MN from a WC/BB? Ignoring the original/rebuilt question obviously. I have noticed that there's a huge number of minor variations (smoke deflectors, etc.), but IN GENERAL what are the spotting differences between the heavy and light pacifics? Thanks The main one I go by is the shape of the name plate, and/or numbers (Sounds obvious, but 35xxx it's a MN, 34xxx it's a BoB/WC. For pre-BR, 21Cxx for MN, 21C1xx for BoB/WC) MN name plate: http://www.railwayanapage.com/images/united_states_lines.jpg WC name plate: https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8533/8624674135_6698b8f7cf_z.jpg BoB name plate: https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8368/8579337701_ce5cd8b796_z.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Evening all, Can anyone confirm what type of tender 34105 is paired with here please? https://www.flickr.com/photos/55919985@N06/5198027038/in/photolist-8VkfkQ-8Vxzfk-8VAARy-dwK3Kh-hJ7GZP-bjJaYK-bjJco2 Thanks in advance! Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Evening all, Can anyone confirm what type of tender 34105 is paired with here please? https://www.flickr.com/photos/55919985@N06/5198027038/in/photolist-8VkfkQ-8Vxzfk-8VAARy-dwK3Kh-hJ7GZP-bjJaYK-bjJco2 Thanks in advance! Steve It is tender 3315, which is a 4,500 Gallon tender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) Tender 3315, a 4,500gal tender. To add further info, this tender was one built for the 8'6" locomotives originally (34063 229 Squadron) Info from SEMG http://www.semgonline.com/steam/blp_ten.html Edit: Piped to the post! Edit 2: Extra information Edited September 4, 2014 by 69843 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Tender 3315, a 4,500gal tender. To add further info, this tender was one built for the 8'6" locomotives originally (34063 229 Squadron) Info from SEMG http://www.semgonline.com/steam/blp_ten.html Edit: Piped to the post! Edit 2: Extra information That is the site I used to collect the info Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 5, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 5, 2014 Glad that info is useful, I helped Peter to check the informatio - it is a minefield though. Just remember that there are loads of temporary tender swaps that were not recorded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Thanks gentlemen! Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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