robmcg Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 here again; Elbow Steam Pipes4002 Evening Star 12/294003 Lode Star 3/494004 Morning Star 3/464007 Swallow Field Park 5/474008 Royal Star 7/334014 Knight of the Bath 7/354015 Knight of St. John 12/484018 Knight of the Grand Cross 5/314019 Knight Templar 5/484020 Knight Commander 3/494021 British Monarch 7/484022 Belgian Monarch 6/484026 Japanese Monarch 10/324031 Queen Mary 8/484033 Queen Victoria 4/404034 Queen Adelaide 6/324036 Queen Elizabeth 7/434038 Queen Berengaria 8/324039 Queen Matilda 12/484041 Prince of Wales 10/474042 Prince Albert 5/484044 Prince George 10/464045 Prince John 1/464046 Princess Mary 1/494048 Princess Victoria 8/324050 Princess Alice 6/464054 Princess Charlotte 10/454056 Princess Margaret 8/494058 Princess Augusta 10/444060 Princess Eugenie 12/304061 Glastonbury Abbey 7/494062 Malmesbury Abbey 3/50Castle steam Pipes4001 Dog Star – 10/304024 Dutch Monarch 2/294035 Queen Charlotte 1/314040 Queen Boadicea 2/304043 Prince Henry 10/314047 Princess Louise 10/384049 Princess Maud 2/354051 Princess Helena 12/444052 Princess Beatrice 4/394053 Princess Alexandra 10/434055 Princess Sophia 5/454057 Princess Elizabeth 4/304059 Princess Patricia 8/44 I hope this is ok. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 detail differences on this class here. http://gwr.org.uk/no-stars.html Beware! claim 4000-10 were fitted with 'square drop' framing at the front, 4011 onward had the curved style. NO - only 4000 fitted with square drop framing -all others fitted with curved frames from new. Looking at photo grey of 4002 as I type - built with curved front and rear end. Additional detail 4001/2 were built with different slide bars and not initially fitted with the vertical slide bar spacing bracket but were changed by 1909. 4002/8/9 were fitted with front foot steps as built -removed over time. Cab footsteps - 4001-20 have the bottom section cut out - 4021 onwards do not. Mike Wiltshire 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Thanks Mike. My mistake about the 'square drop' frames. (Brain a bit addled today - too much html!). Now corrected. I'll add some additional notes about slidebars, and front and cab steps. (I can't imagine anyone getting too excited about the very early history though, and it's light years away from 'the Hornby look'.) Btw, I've yet to find a picture showing a blanking plate on a previously-outside-piped smokebox when reverting to inside pipes, so I suspect the Stars, once they went outside-piped, did not go back. Unlike, e.g. Saints and Moguls. The cylinder change history of the Stars is complex, and I make no excuses for glossing over it! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Thanks Mike. My mistake about the 'square drop' frames. (Brain a bit addled today - too much html!). Now corrected. I'll add some additional notes about slidebars, and front and cab steps. (I can't imagine anyone getting too excited about the very early history though, and it's light years away from 'the Hornby look'.) Btw, I've yet to find a picture showing a blanking plate on a previously-outside-piped smokebox when reverting to inside pipes, so I suspect the Stars, once they went outside-piped, did not go back. Unlike, e.g. Saints and Moguls. The cylinder change history of the Stars is complex, and I make no excuses for glossing over it! I thought it was a case of a smoke box from an outside piped loco being fitted to one with inside pipes. I do not know of an outside piped loco reverting to inside pipes. I t would mean replacing a new style cylinder block with an older design. I cannot find a picture of Star with a blanking plate. Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted April 8, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 8, 2013 What a beautiful looking loco and such evocative names, I hope Hornby make plenty of these. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 8, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 8, 2013 What a beautiful looking loco and such evocative names, I hope Hornby make plenty of these. There will certainly be enough of the Steam version to go around as I understand things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted April 8, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 8, 2013 There will certainly be enough of the Steam version to go around as I understand things. Has it not sold well then Mike . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted April 8, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 8, 2013 Has it not sold well then Mike . I think it's going quite well Rob - it's just that they will be getting rather a lot of them (presumably due to Hornby's policy rather than anything else?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted April 28, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 28, 2013 Unless Hornby are making a big boo boo and only making the one front end as Lode Star, then the BR 'Abbey' version should be fine for the rest of the class. Mike Wiltshire A bump for this thread to ask if using the BR version,could I rebrand the tender to G badge W post war livery and add the firebox lining.Would this be correct and I could then rename to a good selection.The only problem would be the smokebox number though. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 A bump for this thread to ask if using the BR version,could I rebrand the tender to G badge W post war livery and add the firebox lining.Would this be correct and I could then rename to a good selection.The only problem would be the smokebox number though. I will be doing just this (though with shirt button on tender). Touch of brake fluid to remove BR logo and HMRS transfers.. As for smokebox, based on others models I have altered, knife file/sand paper and repair damaged door hinge (usually with plasticard, paint and a touch of weathering and no one will know. Alternative -which I have arranged for one of mine. I know someone who wants a Tintagel Castle with small tender (as it ran out of Newton Abbot in the early 30's). I will be exchanging my Star tender for Tintagel's so we both get what we want. Fixtures should be the same as it is the same chassis etc. Mike Wiltshire 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted April 30, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 30, 2013 Which name are you going for then Mike ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Which name are you going for then Mike ? 4015 Knight of St. John as I have made the train including the artic diner set, featured in David Geen's Great Western in the 30's. 4020 Knight Commander (just love the name)and it features several times in 'The Last Journey' ). 4057 as, based on the Great Western Journal articles, my grandfather is listed as driving it. (this will be the Hornby BR with large tender retro to late 30's). 4003 ordered from Steam - just to support them. I have had a major clearout on eBay recently to fund them. Total indulgence as I am already running kit built 4004 Morning Star (just love the name). 4038 Queen Berengaria (Westbury's finest). 4047 Princess Louise (after my wife's friend who bought me a Will's Castle kit that took a detour in shops and emerged as a Star). At some point 4022 Belgian Monarch will happen (when someone makes or I specially order the plates), a Swindon engine, my grandfather drove many times and which, as a 12 year old, my father drove from Swindon to scout camp in Weston Super Mare. Mike Wiltshire 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted April 30, 2013 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 30, 2013 Blimey Mike thats a long list.At that rate there won't be many left for you to do.I think 4054 Princess Charlotte will be one of mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruffalo Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 If I get one, it will become 4063 Bath Abbey as my layout is set in the early 1930's - before this one was rebuilt as a Castle under the same name; there will also be a measure of deference to the city in which I spent some of my teenage years and discovered how to be distracted from all manner of railway things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didcot Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 At some point 4022 Belgian Monarch will happen (when someone makes or I specially order the plates), a Swindon engine, my grandfather drove many times and which, as a 12 year old, my father drove from Swindon to scout camp in Weston Super Mare. Hi Mike, Was your grandfather Frederick Wiltshire by any chance and brother to my great grandfather Ernest? Regards Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 At some point 4022 Belgian Monarch will happen (when someone makes or I specially order the plates), a Swindon engine, my grandfather drove many times and which, as a 12 year old, my father drove from Swindon to scout camp in Weston Super Mare. Hi Mike, Was your grandfather Frederick Wiltshire by any chance and brother to my great grandfather Ernest? Regards Matt Albert Wiltshire. His brother Norman was also at Swindon but they mentioned a related Ernest Wiltshire who was at Oxford shed. at some point. Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 838rapid Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Thats a name from the Past,Norman Wiltshire was the reason I joined British Rail in 1988 .. He lived just round the corner when I was a nipper. A Proper Gentleman,I saw his Wife and Daughter last time I was in Swindon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted May 21, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2013 And (also Hattons) Hornby R3167 Class 4000 4-6-0 Star 4061 'Glastonbury Abbey' on or after Monday 17th June 2013. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted May 21, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 21, 2013 I don't understand why there are more detailed pictures in the magazines but on the Steam website, there's just the side view of Lode Star? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Posted on Steam site Lode Star Delivery Update The Museum would like to thank all purchasers of our Hornby GWR 'Lode Star' 4003 for their patience regarding delivery of our latest model. The Museum has received information from Hornby predicting a June delivery date, and we would like to assure all customers that STEAM will do everything in its power to get your model couriered quickly and safely as soon as they arrive at our premises. The pre-production model on display at the Museum confirms this is a model of the highest accuracy and detail and will be worth the wait. Our Apologies once more for the delay. Geoff Davies, STEAM Retail (May 2013) Mike Wiltshire 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwd Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 (edited) Posted on Steam site Lode Star Delivery Update The Museum would like to thank all purchasers of our Hornby GWR 'Lode Star' 4003 for their patience regarding delivery of our latest model. The Museum has received information from Hornby predicting a June delivery date, and we would like to assure all customers that STEAM will do everything in its power to get your model couriered quickly and safely as soon as they arrive at our premises. The pre-production model on display at the Museum confirms this is a model of the highest accuracy and detail and will be worth the wait. Our Apologies once more for the delay. Geoff Davies, STEAM Retail (May 2013) Mike Wiltshire June? with Hornby involved, this year or next I wonder.......... Edited May 31, 2013 by jwd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted May 31, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 31, 2013 Has anyone been to steam and seen the model? If so are there any close up pics? Don't really get the chance to see it, living in New Zealand lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted May 31, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 31, 2013 Has anyone been to steam and seen the model? If so are there any close up pics? Don't really get the chance to see it, living in New Zealand lol. You might care to check post #52 in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cor-onGRT4 Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 There is in the May issue of the Hornby magazine an advertisement of the Steam museum on page 138 you see the model on the side and close ups of the front and backhead, that i assume will be the pre-production model they have, looks good, backhead many loose detail but not the standard of Hornby's B-17 backhead, but pre-production does not say all, so could get better or ???? Lets hope fore the better, but separate smokedoor darts same tender as 28xx , sprung buffers? Not very good to see but some little red above the footplate, could be a imitation of the inside motion , but don't be sure about that. Ordered one myself , so hope it's gonne be stunning,hopefully mine obsevations will give a little help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted May 31, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 31, 2013 There is in the May issue of the Hornby magazine an advertisement of the Steam museum on page 138 you see the model on the side and close ups of the front and backhead, that i assume will be the pre-production model they have, looks good, backhead many loose detail but not the standard of Hornby's B-17 backhead, but pre-production does not say all, so could get better or ???? Lets hope fore the better, but separate smokedoor darts same tender as 28xx , sprung buffers? Not very good to see but some little red above the footplate, could be a imitation of the inside motion , but don't be sure about that. Ordered one myself , so hope it's gonne be stunning,hopefully mine obsevations will give a little help. I can't see any detail missing from the backhead in that picture - everything there and its proper place as far as I can see from just re-examining the advert. The smokebox door handle is separate - or at least it is on the sample I saw in Steam some months back and basically this looks to be a pre-'Design Clever' model although we don't know until we see it what Hornby's new manufacturer will make of it of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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