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Class 08 Shunter variations.

 

Bonnet Access Doors

Long Hinges were fitted up to 08266 (D3336) & 08369 (D3454) to 08387 (D3472).
Short Vertical Handles were fitted to 08177 (D3245) onwards.

Cab Doors

Wooden Cab Doors were fitted up to 08704 (D3871).
Steel Cab Doors were fitted from 08705 (D3872) onwards.

Cab Droplights

Wooden Droplights were fitted up to
08101 (D3136) & 08149 (D3217) to 08156 (D3224)

Steel Droplights were fitted to: -
08102 (D3137) to 08148 (D3216) & 08157 (D3225) to 08958 (D4192)

Cabinets

All Locomotives fitted from new with Vacuum Exhauster Cabinet on LHS.
The following Locomotives also had an identical Cabinet on RHS: -

08001 (D3004) to 08176 (D3244
08545 (D3709) to 08560 (D3727)
08571 (D3738) to 08595 (D3762)
08606 (D3773) to 08639 (D3806)
08656 (D3823) to 08958 (D4192)

The following Locomotives were built without the RHS Cabinet although
some may have had them fitted when later Dual / Air Braked: -

08177 (D3245) to 08544 (D3708)
08561 (D3728) to 08570 (D3737)
08596 (D3763) to 08605 (D3772)
08640 (D3807) to 08655 (D3822)

Air / Dual Braking

Some Locomotives fitted with Air / Dual Brakes (fitting commenced in 1968) had an additional box for an Air Compressor fitted
between the Cab and the Battery Box on the LHS only.

Running Plate

Up to 08698 (D3865) the running plate had a lip at the top and a fillet that projects downwards at the rear end of the running plate to the
buffer beam, 08699 (D3866) onwards did not have either feature, the running plates were plain and had no fillet to the rear buffer beam.
 

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Thanks for sharing that David,

 

Every time I look at modelling an 08, I end up turning half the house up, to find the piece of paper with the info, now I know just to look on RMwebwink.gif

 

Trevor

 

No problem Trevor; the list gives a reasonable starting point. It pays to find an actual photograpgh of the loco to be modelled but it does show up some errors with certain manufacturersrolleyes.gif

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Class 09 Shunter variations.

The original Class 09/0 were numbered 09 001 to 09 026

 

Additional Class 09's were converted from Class 08's

 

09101 08 833 D4001

09102 08 832 D4002

09103 08 766 D3934

09104 08 749 D3917

09105 08 835 D4003

09106 08 759 D3927

09107 08 845 D4013

 

09201 08 421 D3536

09202 08 732 D3900

09203 08 781 D3949

09204 08 717 D3884

09205 08 620 D3787

 

Bonnet Access Doors

 

Short Vertical Handles.

 

Droplights

 

Steel Droplights

 

Cab Doors

 

Wooden Cab Doors were fitted up to 09 010 (D3721).

Steel Cab Doors were fitted from 09 011 (D4099) onwards.

 

Cabinets

 

All Locomotives were built with a Vacuum Exhauster Cabinet on LHS.

 

09 001 (D3665) to 09 007 (D3671)

 

The following Locomotives also had an identical Cabinet on RHS: -

 

09 008 (D3719) to 09 010 (D3721)

 

09 011 (D4099) to 09 026 (D4114)

 

Air / Dual Braking

 

Some Locomotives when Dual Braked had an additional box for an Air Compressor fitted between the Cab and the Battery Box on the LHS only.

 

 

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And all this before we check out the differing types of buffer fitted, sometimes different types on the front/rear of the same loco.

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Then there are the diminishing number of lights fitted fore and aft,and those locos where the light fittings were left and just plated over.

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Oh ! and those for BR(SR) with extra lights.

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And I forgot ... those fitted with two vertical angle iron reinforcing strips adjcent to the rear cab windows.

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Oh ! and did I mention those modified with knuckle couplers (initially to shunt HST vehicles).

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Of course some locos had their whistles replaced with horns.

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And also some had their compressor cabintes removed after accident damage, or conversion.

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If ever there was a case of find a photo of your prototype ........................

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I know, Ive been thwarted a few times by modelling 08s

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Brian R

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If ever there was a case of find a photo of your prototype ........................

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Brian R

 

 

EE 350's / Class 08 / 09's have been with us for nearly 60 years so reference to a photograpgh of the chosen prototype / period is advisable.

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Just to confuse the issue, would anyone like to see pictures I took of the class 10 at the GCR the other day? I've got a model of an 11 somwhere, too... more seriously, this is useful, informative stuff - thanks!

 

 

Please go ahead and share, the more information we can gather the better.

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OK, then - here follow a few snaps of the preserved class 10 at the GCR in Loughborough. These were only taken using my mobile phone, but hopefully there's enough detail for the eagle-eyed among you to spot exactly why this isn't an 08 or 09! Because I've played about a bit with the original images to accentuate some details, the colour varies from snap to snap - for the record, the first and third photos seem to match my memory of how the paintwork looked:

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The last few to follow after the Simpsons !

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Sorry - noticed there were 2 Dr Who episodes back-to back, or I'd have been back sooner! Where was I? Ah yes... 4 more shots of the 10, showing hinges, nameplate (not exactly original, that one, I realise) and toolbox, along with end views. Hope that someone finds them of some use:

 

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It was a dull day, and I couldn't get any closer than the limited digital zoom on my phone would allow, but I thought that, since you don't see a class 10 every day, it was worth recording a few details to - who knows? - maybe model it one day.

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One other variation that some Class 09's have which hasn't been mentioned here which needs confirming with prototype pictures is that some are fitted with extra cables at the cab end & I think at the nose end for shunting EMU's & possibly DMU's (MU cables).

 

It is possible certain Class 08's may retain these cables if someone is modelling a Class 08 from Willesden or Crewe & uses the Modelzone 09019 as a base model as all the other Class 09 shunters I have seen modelled have not included the MU cables.

 

I had originally intended to model 09001 but when I went to Doncaster before the loco left to go to Peak Rail, the un-numbered EWS shunter with MU cables that I thought was 09001 was another loco as the pictures of it at the Peak Rail look different.

 

I hope to soon to go & confirm for myself that the loco has numbers on both sides before I can do my class 09 project.

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One other variation that some Class 09's have which hasn't been mentioned here which needs confirming with prototype pictures is that some are fitted with extra cables at the cab end & I think at the nose end for shunting EMU's & possibly DMU's (MU cables).

 

It is possible certain Class 08's may retain these cables if someone is modelling a Class 08 from Willesden or Crewe & uses the Modelzone 09019 as a base model as all the other Class 09 shunters I have seen modelled have not included the MU cables.

 

I had originally intended to model 09001 but when I went to Doncaster before the loco left to go to Peak Rail, the un-numbered EWS shunter with MU cables that I thought was 09001 was another loco as the pictures of it at the Peak Rail look different.

 

I hope to soon to go & confirm for myself that the loco has numbers on both sides before I can do my class 09 project.

 

None of the 09 1XX or 09 2xx had high level brake pipes and neither did (I think it's from memory) did 00 025/6 (or was it 24/5?) :unsure:

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Hornby's grey 09 012 "Dick Hardy" model has the high-level pipes. They also did an 08 in Cotswold Rail colours withe high-level pipes but I don't know the number for that one.That will hopefully assist anyone looking to model the SR ones with the extra pipework.

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None of the 09 1XX or 09 2xx had high level brake pipes and neither did (I think it's from memory) did 00 025/6 (or was it 24/5?) :unsure:

 

 

My apologies... I did mean the original Southern Region Class 09's. :blush_mini:

I have now looked in my Traction Recognition Book by Colin J. Marsden, & this lists all the original Southern Region 09's incorporated waiste height air connections for coupling to EMU & DEMU stock i.e. 09001 - 09026. Pictured in the book are 09026, 09016, & LNWR Black 08830 at Crewe Works. The only Cotwold one pictured is 08871 but you cannot see the air connections.

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I have now looked in my Traction Recognition Book by Colin J. Marsden, & this lists all the original Southern Region 09's incorporated waiste height air connections for coupling to EMU & DEMU stock i.e. 09001 - 09026. Pictured in the book are 09026, 09016, & LNWR Black 08830 at Crewe Works. The only Cotwold one pictured is 08871 but you cannot see the air connections.

I would strongly advise taking anything written by that particular author with a rather large pinch of salt. 09024/09025 never received high level air pipes.

 

As for the 09/1s and 09/2s, high level pipes were not added as part of the conversion, but those which had them as 08s retained them (initially, at least) as 09s. 09101, the former 08833, is one example.

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Having spend much of the afternoon scanning in my 350/Jocko/Gronk* (delete as appropriate) photos, seems this might a good place to post the link up.

 

Mostly taken between 1984 and 1990 on depot visits, railtours and just general spotting outings. Sadly my notebooks, containing exact dates and locations, have been misplaced over the years, but I've added the obvious locations.

 

Hope they are of use.

 

 

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In the pre-TOPS numbering period, class 08s were listed in working timetables and in diagram books as having a top speed of 20mph, irrespective of whether vacuum, air or dual brakes were fitted. Sometime in the late 1970s this started to change and variants with a max speed of 15mph began to be listed in the diagram book, alongside the 20mph ones - 08-aV, 08-bX, and 08-cA. In the books by Platform 5 it stated that the SR allocated locos had a top speed of 20mph, with the remainder 15mph.

 

So, does anyone know what the truth why the top speed was reduced, and why the SR locos were unaffected? Were there any actual mechanical changes between the two types?

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Having spend much of the afternoon scanning in my 350/Jocko/Gronk* (delete as appropriate) photos, seems this might a good place to post the link up.

 

Alan, Thank you  sharing, you can't beat a bit of "banger Blue"  :no: 

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Did any 08's or 09's ever receive snowploughs at both ends during their working life?

 

The reason I'm asking this, is because I thought of adding snowploughs to a Bachmann 08 of which I have done, and thought if any actually did.

 

Thanks

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09s have a maximum speed of 27mph, they are geared differently to the 08s.

 

All 08s are geared the same but some are allowed to run faster than others.

This is true, the original question though was:

 

"why was the top speed reduced on the majority of the class and that some of the SR locos were unaffected?"

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"Were there any actual mechanical changes between the two types?"

 

In other words how/why were some of the class reduced in top speed yet others weren't?

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This is true, the original question though was:

 

"why was the top speed reduced on the majority of the class and that some of the SR locos were unaffected?"

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"Were there any actual mechanical changes between the two types?"

 

In other words how/why were some of the class reduced in top speed yet others weren't?

One of the reasons for the reduction in speed of 08s was the number of shifted cranks that was occurring. It was about this time that the move from keyed cranks to interference fitted cranks occurred.

 

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Al Taylor

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Did any 08's or 09's ever receive snowploughs at both ends during their working life?

 

The reason I'm asking this, is because I thought of adding snowploughs to a Bachmann 08 of which I have done, and thought if any actually did.

 

Thanks

 

There is a thread elsewhere about 08s with 3-piece miniature ploughs following the appearance of a pic on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/camperdown/8254457271/

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/77289-a-shunter-puzzle-08s-with-miniature-snowploughs/&do=findComment&comment=1188302

 

General consensus/gist is that it was a local WR mod, restricted to South Wales and only fitted to the bonnet-end of the 08.

 

 

There were also the permanent snowplough conversions that the ER trialled in the 1970s, using withdrawn early 08s in 2 batches (1973 and 1977, IIRC) which proved pretty useless and all withdrawn around 1979.

ADB966506 (D3078) Wdn Cap stock Nov 72, Cut Feb 79

ADB966507 (D3006) Wdn Cap Stock Nov 72, Cut Aug 79

ADB966508 (D3035) Wdn Cap Stock Dec 72, Cut May 79

ADB966509 (D3069) Wdn Cap Stock Jan 73, Cut Apr 80

ADB966510 (D3037) Wdn Cap Stock Dec 72, Cut Mar 79

 

ADB966511/ADB968011 (D3186/08119) Wdn Cap Stock Feb 77, Cut Feb 80

ADB966512/ADB968012 (D3177/08111) Wdn Cap Stock Feb 77, Cut??

ADB966513/ADB968013 (D3184/08117) Wdn Cap Stock Feb 77, Cut Mar 79

 

(3 further ones, ADB966517-9, ex 08 048/65/66, weren't completed before the whole idea was dropped as the resulting plough proved less than stable in use)

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/glevumblues/9931291015/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-by-john/6867916913/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnmightycat/5857533101/

 

 

I know Clive M has done at least one and I have a dead suitable Bachmann 08 knocking around somewhere for conversion.

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