ThaneofFife Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Im trying to think back and not having much joy. Those WCML rakes out of Euston that included a BSO Mk2f, they would tend to be at the 2nd class (country) end, but I dont really recall the last 1st class vehicle not being flanked by a Mk1 BG - at the time the BSOs were on these diagrams were the other ends of the rakes generally 1st class vehicles or were all the opens sandwiched between a BSO and a BG? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 From my Edge Hill spotting most Liverpool - Euston would have at least a b4 bogied BG. Then the majority would have the BSO I stand to be corrected.. Ian Im trying to think back and not having much joy. Those WCML rakes out of Euston that included a BSO Mk2f, they would tend to be at the 2nd class (country) end, but I dont really recall the last 1st class vehicle not being flanked by a Mk1 BG - at the time the BSOs were on these diagrams were the other ends of the rakes generally 1st class vehicles or were all the opens sandwiched between a BSO and a BG? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 (edited) I just selected a random Passenger Train Marshalling booklet for the L.M. in this case 1983. For the trains out of Euston they all have a BG at the First Class (London end) apart from a Euston - Holyhead FSO (BSO at both ends, FK in the middle) and both a Euston - Inverness and a Euston - Stranraer which have the BG at the country end and a BFK at the London end. For the remaining services with Mk2 air-con stock, between 9 in the morning and 5 in the evening, the ratio is 14 rakes with a BSO at the country end and 12 without any brake at the country end. Edited March 20, 2013 by Flood 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Order now placed for 8 x blue and greys dcc fitted 2f's. Cant wait to see them develop. I have no doubt these will be up to the usual superb standards from Bachmann. It would be good if they took on board any pre-production criticisms aired here by those that really knew the details of these vehicles to avoid any glaring errors. An update (of sorts) now on the Bachmann website (Rolling Stock Part 2) but nothing we didnt really know anyway - close coupling mech (so ideal to match up with Bachmanns excellent BG's and Buffets etc), detailed underframe equipment and of course the lighting. Not sure yet about the swallow liveried ones but that could be another 8 so the thick end of £600 to Bachmann from me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 23, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2013 - close coupling mech (so ideal to match up with Bachmanns excellent BG's and Buffets etc), detailed underframe equipment and of course the lighting. I wonder what height the NEM pocket will be? If it matches the Mk1's to close couple, or will it be at the "standard" height, thus needing an adapter to couple to the Mk1's and non-aircon Mk2's. Will they be producing a hydraulic damper fitted B4 (as fitted to the 2f's), rather than the friction dampers of the previous B4's? (still needing to alter loads of B4's fitted to my yellow fleet) Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted March 23, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2013 No mention of how the DCC is being implemented. Interestingly, though I think we know it's for the lighting, that's not what the web page says: The OO scale BR MK2F coaches feature: Highly detailed underframe DCC versions available Close coupling mechanism So it's not entirely impossible (though somewhat unlikely) that the DCC may be for more than just lighting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Order now placed for 8 x blue and greys dcc fitted 2f's. Cant wait to see them develop. I have no doubt these will be up to the usual superb standards from Bachmann. It would be good if they took on board any pre-production criticisms aired here by those that really knew the details of these vehicles to avoid any glaring errors. An update (of sorts) now on the Bachmann website (Rolling Stock Part 2) but nothing we didnt really know anyway - close coupling mech (so ideal to match up with Bachmanns excellent BG's and Buffets etc), detailed underframe equipment and of course the lighting. Not sure yet about the swallow liveried ones but that could be another 8 so the thick end of £600 to Bachmann from me. Not sure any reminders are really necessary. You only have to look closely at what they produced with the Blue Pullman to see they are more than capable of really knowing what the details are and listening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Well I'm sure there are a lot of modellers who hope youve got that right Bob. For example the level of tint to the glazing (we dont want Airfix levels of blacked out glazing) or the degree of tumblehome. Get things like this wrong and it could prove a disappointment. My motto is I would rather have a gun and not need it than need it and not have one. Lets hope Bachmann do indeed take on board any feedback in the early stages if they are to get these long awaited coaches bang on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Fair enough ToF, but they've not been guilty of any of those things you mention up to now, or been the manufacturer responsible for them so why would they change? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Well I'm sure there are a lot of modellers who hope youve got that right Bob. For example the level of tint to the glazing (we dont want Airfix levels of blacked out glazing) or the degree of tumblehome. Get things like this wrong and it could prove a disappointment. My motto is I would rather have a gun and not need it than need it and not have one. Lets hope Bachmann do indeed take on board any feedback in the early stages if they are to get these long awaited coaches bang on. Shouldn't this sort of stuff be on foolscap addressed to Barwell, Leics, rather than on a toy train forum ? I admit a little disappointment over the variance in glazing between the 150/1 cars, but that may have been corrected in subsequent issues. The shape though - if the Mk2 pressurevents were the right shape, why would the "coffins" not be ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 You pair of leg pullers you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted March 25, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 25, 2013 I've sent an email via Bachmann's web site 'Contact Us' page asking about how the DCC is being implemented in the Mark 2Fs, specifically asking if it will be done via a decoder in each coach or not. I'll reply here if/when I get a response. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiket4 Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 I went into my local hobby shop yesterday and they were having a Hornby clear out. They had MK2d's in Intercity swallow livery for £12.99 EACH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 I went into my local hobby shop yesterday and they were having a Hornby clear out. They had MK2d's in Intercity swallow livery for £12.99 EACH cheap but they are welcome to them. i dare say plenty of people will be lapping up cheap Mk2d's over the next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 25, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted March 25, 2013 cheap but they are welcome to them. i dare say plenty of people will be lapping up cheap Mk2d's over the next year. Having just found out that there may be another 3-4 ex-Gatex coaches possibly being converted for NwR use, bring it on! Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 I take it GatEx's were D not f then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 I take it GatEx's were D not f then Other way round. I think newbryford is just looking for more NwR coaches that he can use the Hornby ones to make. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47423 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Were the Arriva coaches they used on the S&C rakes 2F`s ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Were the Arriva coaches they used on the S&C rakes 2F`s ? In this photo: http://www.jim.nisbet.dsl.pipex.com/rail/feature/settle_carlisle/37408_culgaith.jpg the first three coaches are Mk2F, possibly all four. The BSO has a large fan so it must be a Mk2F, likewise the next two coaches have the gap where the pressure ventilation cabinet would be on a Mk2D or Mk2E so they must be Mk2F as well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47423 Posted March 29, 2013 Share Posted March 29, 2013 Thanks Flood, hopefully they will get done at some point then. In this photo: http://www.jim.nisbet.dsl.pipex.com/rail/feature/settle_carlisle/37408_culgaith.jpg the first three coaches are Mk2F, possibly all four. The BSO has a large fan so it must be a Mk2F, likewise the next two coaches have the gap where the pressure ventilation cabinet would be on a Mk2D or Mk2E so they must be Mk2F as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublecee Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I have a question, being a bit of a novice.... Would these look out of place on a Blue / Yellow HST? I tend to favour Bachmann coaches over Hornby, and the DCC and lights option is very attractive to an oo garden railway user (for those summer evenings etc etc) Ta Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted March 30, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 30, 2013 I have a question, being a bit of a novice.... Would these look out of place on a Blue / Yellow HST? I tend to favour Bachmann coaches over Hornby, and the DCC and lights option is very attractive to an oo garden railway user (for those summer evenings etc etc) Ta VERY You need Mark 3 coaches - they look totally different Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I agree with Martin the HSTs need MK3s. However it is your railway and you can run what you like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublecee Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) Yes, your right about it being my railway, but I do think (having just done a bit of research on google, that the differences are to obvious. Id never get away with a full rake of them. Its one of my favourite trains on the layout, so I will look into illuminating the stock I have and maybe get the MK II f's for another train Edited March 30, 2013 by doublecee 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kintbury jon Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Great video! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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