Richard Lee Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I think that requirement only applies for the first 8 weeks that they are on sale. So, should one pre-order or wait for the fire sale? The Hornby 2-BILs started at £129 but can now be had for as little as £59. Judging from what happened with my E4, pre-orders would go out at the high price, without emails notifying customers of any price rises. There might not be a big fire-sale, though. For example, I haven't come across any significant reduction in the price of E4s yet, certainly not at Hattons. Although I am not wildly happy about the price, the Birdcage Stock would still be a reasonable option for me, compared to the Kernow Gated Stock and the Hornby rebuilt ex-LSWR 58' coaches. I was going to get both the Gated Stock and the Birdcage Stock, but am now considering getting the first option to become available, and forget the late-comers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markeg Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I cancelled my order for these coaches once the price jumped to GBP 60ea. Now that our currency has dropped against the pound also made it very expensive. I was thinking of replacing the Bachmann Thompson coaches too, but they have been listed at just under GBP60, so will be content with what I have and save for some parts to finish a LNER gresley TPO. I have the side and Net. Model Railways Direct have 3 models of the E4 (2x BR and the LBSC) at GBP84.99, and plenty of them. A saving of GBP10. I have the SR 473 model which pulled our Afternoon Cream tea Train on the Bluebell in 2011. Paid full price for it. Up from 76 to 94. Ouch. Mark in Oz 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 If the containers are going through Tianjin there might be a fire sale. Or further delays. Unlikely as Bachmann is an Hong Kong LLC and production is supposedly in the Pearl river basin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted August 13, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 13, 2015 If the containers are going through Tianjin there might be a fire sale. Or further delays. Unlikely as Bachmann is an Hong Kong LLC and production is supposedly in the Pearl river basin. A degree of sensitivity might have been considered before posting this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR Dave Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Still no further progress on these according to the latest CC magazine. They're still in the drawing office. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Bedding Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Still no further progress on these according to the latest CC magazine. They're still in the drawing office. We have seen how tooling may be adapted from the outset (Kernow) to suit the various differences in appearance of a basic coach design (gate stock). With this in mind I wonder how easy it might be to catalogue an unmodified SECR design and then make use of this tooling to support a small extra choice of post-war IOW coaches. I am tempted to think that IOW stock might have slightly wider appeal than the SECR. There is a difference between the 60ft stock seemingly proposed by Bachmann, and the 54ft stock used on the Island, and that raises the question whether Bachmann made the better initial choice. Much as I admire Mr Wainwright's elegant designs and liveries, my pocket money would support an IOW choice, even in BR colours. PB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venator Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 We have seen how tooling may be adapted from the outset (Kernow) to suit the various differences in appearance of a basic coach design (gate stock). With this in mind I wonder how easy it might be to catalogue an unmodified SECR design and then make use of this tooling to support a small extra choice of post-war IOW coaches. I am tempted to think that IOW stock might have slightly wider appeal than the SECR. There is a difference between the 60ft stock seemingly proposed by Bachmann, and the 54ft stock used on the Island, and that raises the question whether Bachmann made the better initial choice. Much as I admire Mr Wainwright's elegant designs and liveries, my pocket money would support an IOW choice, even in BR colours. PB I struggle to understand how IOW stock might have more appeal than SE&CR stock? After all the SE&CR versions (assuming all liveries catered for) lasted from approx 1910 - 1960. Personally, as a man of kent the SE&CR stock is of intrinsic interest to me and many who live in one of the most densely populated areas of the country, unlike the IOW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWCR Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 The IOW stock mentioned is ex SECR although the 54' long type IF this had been chosen for the Bachmann models, IOW versions as well as the SECR, SR and BR mainland liveried ones could have been prodiuced from the same basic mouldings (Specific body moulding required for the IW version of the brakes). However the larger 60' variety is what is coming hence not suitable for IOW without a lot of Cut & Shut work. The LBSC IOW carriages are well covered by kits but little is available for the SECR ones. With the imminent arrival of RTR 02's there is a lot of interest in IOW modelling but a lack of correct carriages. Yes specific IOW only stock is unlikely to be viable for the general market but could be a winner for the smaller comission type suppliers. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyA Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 The IOW stock mentioned is ex SECR although the 54' long type IF this had been chosen for the Bachmann models, IOW versions as well as the SECR, SR and BR mainland liveried ones could have been prodiuced from the same basic mouldings (Specific body moulding required for the IW version of the brakes). Pete Not to mention Longmoor and the KESR. Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireline Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 So the Bachmann Times arrives, and these coaches are STILL in the Drawing Office. I make that at least a year stuck at the same stage. Come on Bachmann, have you stapled the drawings to the desks or something? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted December 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2015 So the Bachmann Times arrives, and these coaches are STILL in the Drawing Office. I make that at least a year stuck at the same stage. Come on Bachmann, have you stapled the drawings to the desks or something? Maybe you should petition another manufacturer for these (and / or the IoW variants) as Bachmann do not appear to have a high priority for them. Something to go with 02's, Dave? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted December 7, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 7, 2015 IWCR, on 09 Sept 2015 - 12:56, said: Yes specific IOW only stock is unlikely to be viable for the general market but could be a winner for the smaller comission type suppliers. I think the IOW railways held on to their rural charm right until 1965. I believe they have a popularity among steam era modellers that is much greater than suggested by their modest scope of coverage on an island. Their necessarily self-contained system had a sort of redolence of what we may aspire to model - a few branches with modestly-sized trains and locos, all rather hand-me-down. This is unlike modelling railways on the mainland, where we "know" the network extends the length and breadth of Britain, and modern traction was never that far away, certainly by 1965. Sales of the Kernow IOW O2 may tell us something about just how much of a market there is. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slg Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Looking forward to these but it looks like they are stuck behind the Mk2s & Thompsons in the pecking order at the moment. I was in Arcadia recently and was say that I would like to see a version of the Longmoor train pack in OO but with these coaches instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyA Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I was in Arcadia recently and was say that I would like to see a version of the Longmoor train pack in OO but with these coaches instead. Unfortunately the Longmoor coaches are 54 ft and the Bachmann models are the 60 ft version. Having said that, it would be a reasonable compromise just like the N gauge set. This set has Sir Guy Williams which was withdrawn on 10th May 1965. However, although the BR suburban stock arrived before this date, they were not painted blue until at least mid 1967. If Bachmann had stuck with maroon, it would have been correct for the 1965 Open Day but possibly not as commercially attractive. Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Jones Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Any sign of these yet? I shall leave my pre-order with Hattons, as even if I manage to build my Mallard/Blacksmith (50'/ 45') set before they appear, I certainly wouldn't get around to buying and building the Roxey 60' coaches or be able to paint them to the same finish as Bachmann will achieve - I just hope there's enough left in my bank account when I get back from the southern hemisphere! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 15, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 15, 2016 Looking forward to these but it looks like they are stuck behind the Mk2s & Thompsons in the pecking order at the moment. I should have at least another year to save up for them, then. J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted January 15, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2016 Still in the drawing office phase, so John is probably being optimitic with at least 1 year away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivegreen Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) Not only that but, I suspect, Bachmann will have missed a trick if, as seems likely, Hornby get in first with their rebuilt ex-LSWR stock since many who want Southern area panelled stock (even if incorrect in terms of era and area) will go for the red boxes and forsake the blue ones. I'd lay a small bet on the birdcages never appearing on the RTR market before I shuffle off this mortal coil. Hope I'm wrong, though. Edited January 15, 2016 by olivegreen 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Downer Posted January 15, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2016 Oh they'll be here just as quickly as the LBSC Atlantic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivegreen Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) Gosh, THAT soon?? PS. note to our nice moderators: I'm not really criticising Bachmann's flash-to-bang delay...much… Edited January 15, 2016 by olivegreen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45568 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Which does tend to make the incipient froth and questions about when Bachmann will announce their '2016' range a little ,,,errr.. optimistic??? I have to admit, I've lost patience with Bachmann, yet I have a feeling they will still end up 'Manufacturer of the Year' 2015. I feel Hornby have that 'Man.United' thing going, they do well at every level, but everyone still hate us! Grumpy from Oz, Peter C. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47606odin Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Given all the current delivery delays in China, I think 2015 would be a better assessment. I'd guess Q2 or Q3 2015. and you were wrong.... next guess please. 2018? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR Dave Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Which LBSCr atlantic do you mean ? The Bachmann one or the full size one being built at the Bluebell Railway ? With such slow progress on the Birdcages and Atlantic since they were announced nearly 3 years ago by Barwell, my money's on the Bluebell ! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Jones Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Oh they'll be here just as quickly as the LBSC Atlantic. Who's? The Bluebell's 12" to the 1'or my 4mm scale version from an ACE kit - I think the Bluebell will beat me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireline Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I suspect the drawings have long since been done, the models made, decorated and boxed, and are being delivered to Barwell as we speak by Lord Lucan and Shergar... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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