Andy Y Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 LMS 10000 / BR 10001 in black livery PRESS STATEMENT Bachmann Europe Plc are today issuing this statement to clarify the position with the LMS diesels 10000 / 10001 (the latter was delivered after Nationalisation in 1948) being produced exclusively for Rails of Sheffield. The BR versions which are standard catalogue releases and the LMS (BR) black versions being produced for Rails, utilise different tooling to reflect the changes that took place over their lifespan. The BR versions of No. 10000 have been released to the trade and No. 10001 will be released shortly. The only issue with the tooling is that the LMS versions utilise new tooling to that of the models released on to the market in the past week or so. The Rails versions require much more than a coat of black paint to produce them! The original Rails models were due to be researched for Rails of Sheffield by the late Dick Flower and following his illness and subsequent passing earlier this year, the team at Barwell and our Project Consultant were required to carry out the research themselves in order to bring these models to fruition. This has resulted in the earlier versions not being available alongside the green BR ones. In effect two brand new models of 10000 and 10001 which constitute a boxed set are being created in order to reflect the condition in which they were delivered to the LMS in late 1947 (10000) and to BR in early 1948 (10001). The earlier versions have now entered the production process. They will go through the same production cycle as all other models and further updates on their expected availability will be released to the commissioning retailer (Rails of Sheffield) in due course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestburyJack Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I contacted Rails this week to ask about their BR Green Special Editions (codes LMS 3 and LMS 4). Apparently because these require new tooling they have been delayed due to a lack of production slots and they (Rails) are unable to confirm whether or not they will ever be produced. Which means that there may never be a version of 10001 in the same livery as the standard release 10000 models in Brunswick Green with Orange/Black/Orange lining (31-995) or Brunswick Green with partial eggshell blue waistband (31-996). Am I alone in thinking that as these locos frequently (usually??) ran as a pair, Bachmann have missed something by not providing a RTR pair? Would they have been better off sacrificing 100% accuracy in order to provide a matching livery pair? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted December 3, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 3, 2013 Their appearances were ,in any case,infrequent.Much of their time was spent awaiting spares/maintenance in Derby works. Remember that this was still the age of steam and skills,spares and knowledge about diesel traction were scarce.They were a side issue and only a faithful few knew...or cared....much about them. Hence their celebrity status when they emerged in late 1956 to work as a pair on The Royal Scot.This pairing resumed between May and July of 1957.....in orange stripe livery.which lasted for only ONE year in that colour scheme.From thence,they worked spasmodically in their final BR Brunswick Green with duck egg blue body stripe.By late 1959 cometh D210 and its sisters on theWCML....making the twins redundant to all intents and purposes. Remember their time slot was short.Their glory as twins a glimpse and gone forever.They were true pioneers..but neglected ones.you would not see them very often...unless you were lucky. One working...singly,not in pairs...was a Euston -Wolverhampton turn,on which you would also frequently see the Bulleid 10201/2/3 which also did a turn or two on the Scot....and,I think singly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Warrior Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 As Bachmann have done such a magnificent job with the twins I would hope (and expect) that they will not lower their standards in the future. As long as the current models sell well I would hope that the1957 lined livery will appear as 10001 in due course. I too would like the pair! Andy's explanation above shows the length Bachmann have gone to produce the definitive models of the twins, ably supported by their product consultants. I think it is very much a case of congratulations all round and please finish the job in due course. In the meantime I feel a Model of the year 2014 beckons! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I see there is no further news on the Rails site about these. This isnt meant as a critism but is more of a 'bump' for the thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Bachmann showed EP models of Rail's versions not that long ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacon butty Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I have the original black LMS one on order (LMS1) and enquired on Monday with Rails on when they are expecting it. They said it will be January but are quietly hoping that it may get here before Christmas... Not long to wait now!! There is the special 2 loco box set and a few other black ones to be released and I am not certain if all of them will come in one batch. If you drop them an email they respond very quickly with as much information as they have - very helpful. Stuart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opelsi Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Getting closer now - I just wonder if we might see one of them surface in the display case at the Bachmann stand at Warley!?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lymer Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Or even better, maybe both Twins together in orignal form Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR Dave Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Doubtful. As they're exclusive to Rails of Sheffield any progress reports / pictures / samples would probably come from them, not Bachmann. Happy to be proved wrong though as I have the LMS liveried one on order myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Downer Posted November 10, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2014 I spoke to someone at Rails last week and was told that the two originals were coming in the not too distant future - both as a set and separately - but that there was significant doubt as to whether any of the other variants were ever going to be produced. Lack of information about the various changes to each diesel was given as the reason. I had a small early crest version on order, but reckoning that the first 10001 (sans crest) was better than no 10001 at all I've opted for the one I know is coming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacon butty Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Hi I had an email off one of the helpful ladies at Rails a couple of weeks ago when updating credit card info and was told that there was a delay that could push the original ones out to March 2015 - they were expecting a visit off Bachmann last week to clarify the delivery dates of the original black ones. I'm figuring that if they were to be released before Christmas they would be going on a boat about now and if they were going on a boat about now there would be some pictures on the Rails website (which there aren't). Fingers crossed that there will be a painted sample at Warley!! Even if it is delayed by a few months I'm absolutely sure it will be worth the wait... and it will give the much needed credit card some breathing space. Stuart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewlisle Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Any further news about when the black vesions of the LMS Twins will be available? I heard a rumour at Warley that they would not be released until May/June next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted December 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 9, 2014 Any further news about when the black vesions of the LMS Twins will be available? I heard a rumour at Warley that they would not be released until May/June next year. There's an update in the current Bachmann Collectors Club magazine saying that they're at the 'Artwork stage' (I think, the mag is at home and I'm in work!) Think the timeline of May/June 2015 sounds realistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR Dave Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Rails themselves are saying March in their latest ads. I guess not all versions will appear at the same time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opelsi Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Hi, I have two models on order 10000 in LMS Black and 10000 again, in BR Early Crest. I spoke with 'Rails' a couple of weeks ago, it appears the release in the spring will be 10000 in LMS Black. Other versions may or may not follow from my understanding, which would be a pity if not - finger's crossed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 8, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2015 Does anyone know the latest on these ? I tried to order via Rail's website but it's saying sold out for all Black versions I then then telephoned Rails and was told all orders are suspended apart from the twins set, and a decision on the continuance of the Black livered ones is still being discussed. thought that sounded a bit odd ? According to the BRM annual, (so it must be right!), they are due late 2015. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Max Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The Rails advert in the latest Railway Modeller says the black twins are due this March Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted January 10, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 10, 2015 Given the kerfuffle following Rails splitting the Thames -Clyde express sets (with the Midland Compound) I'm not surprised if the whole Rails-Bachmann relationship is a little 'sensitive' at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Given the kerfuffle following Rails splitting the Thames -Clyde express sets (with the Midland Compound) I'm not surprised if the whole Rails-Bachmann relationship is a little 'sensitive' at the moment. Other retailers have split the sets as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacon butty Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I sent Rails an email on Friday regarding the status of my order of the LMS 10000 Black version and they have kindly replied with the following information... The box set is still on schedule to be delivered March/April with the 2 locos in. The 2 locos that are in the box set will also be available individually these are listed as LMS1 and LMS2. The locos that have been put on hold indefinitely are the crested locos. Hope this helps clear things up a little. Stuart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 "On hold indefinitely..." Does not sound very good to me. It could mean that if some wants an early BR crest has only the Hattons Dapol 10001 to choose from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted January 12, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 12, 2015 Or,if you can still find one,a FIA Trains example....full metal jacket and a jewel of a model loco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 It could well mean that pre order levels for those versions are very low, making the proposed run unviable. I had a similar situation with the Dapol/Hattons BR Green versions of 10000/10001, which I had on pre order, these were delayed until eventually Hattons announced they were not going to be produced. By then I had realised the inevitable and had switched my order to the Bachmann version. Has the commercial market for the BR black livery versions been sated by the previous FIA and Dapol/Hattons products. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted January 12, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2015 I have a FIA version in black/silver and it has satisfied my 10000 desires. Seriously, whilst the FIA model was pricey it is a beautiful model and really does feel and look special. Sadly buying two was a bit much for me to swallow but I'd recommend it 100% for anybody who can stomach the price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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