DavidB-AU Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 NORTH American Class 1 CSX has teamed up with GE Transportation to explore adapting Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) traction technology for its locomotives through a pilot programme which will commence next year. http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/locomotives/csx-and-ge-to-develop-lng-locos.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Presumably because Natural Gas in North America is cheap and getting cheaper................would this ever apply in Europe for example, I wonder? Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Will they tow LNG tank cars as they did last time around? and let's hope they don't look like this monstrosity.... GE's industrial designers need a slap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave1905 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Pretty much every NA class 1 has explored LNG over the past several decades. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 GE's industrial designers need a slap And their guide dogs... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 That thing is so ugly it looks like an Alstom! Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolmt Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Canadian National has been testing LNG fuelled locomotives on the Edmonton to Fort McMurray line in Alberta for the past year. The test must be successful, I read a few weeks ago the railroad has ordered five more tender cars. The LNG tender goes between two locomotives. Natural gas in North America is very cheap, less than the equivalent of 2.50 GBP in most places. There is a lot of it. Cheers Malcolm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted November 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2013 When I read Gas I got visions of the Big Blows coming out of retirement. Ah well, one can dream! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave1905 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 The "gas turbines" weren't fuled by LNG, they were fueled by heavy bunker C oil, about as far to the other end of the fluid spectrum from natural gas as you can get. The LNG engines fire a conventional diesel, just using an alternative fuel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted November 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2013 The "gas turbines" weren't fuled by LNG, they were fueled by heavy bunker C oil, about as far to the other end of the fluid spectrum from natural gas as you can get. The LNG engines fire a conventional diesel, just using an alternative fuel. Errr, it was a joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 It was recently announced that the USA is now (gasp) self-sufficient in "energy production". What is little known is that the USA is also the World leader in Geo-Energy production..... I'm looking forward (again) to showering in water smelling of brimstone and sulphur...... yes I have been to Iceland several times, at all times of the year. Anyone who puts their energy supply into the hands of a certain country on the fringes of Europe must be insane. Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 The main difference why this won't take off in Europe is that the Europeans tax fossil fuels, whereas the Americans (and Canadians) definitely do not. Hence NA prices reflect the actual production cost (plus a significant margin for the oil industry), European prices mainly reflect how much tax you pay Not true at a retail level, at least not in Ontario. About 30% of the cost of gasoline (petrol) is tax. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted November 19, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2013 Natural gas fueled engines are nothing new, the issue for trains that would cause more of a problem in Europe than the USA is containment of the liquified gas fuel. Natural gas is still financially very attractive in Europe (there is a reason it is so popular in power stations, and it is not just because it is clean) and if you read any of the shipping journals you'll see that the EU are offering a lot of incentives to develop the LNG supply infrastructure to use LNG as a marine fuel to replace oil. GE have an advantage in owning Jennbacher as they own one of the worlds foremost gas engine experts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave1905 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Errr, it was a joke. Oops sorry, I didn't catch that your avatar locomotive was smiling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugsley Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Pretty much every NA class 1 has explored LNG over the past several decades. Yes, I remember Burlington Northern trying them in the 1990's and ISTR that Union Pacific did as well, around the same kind of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I'm looking forward (again) to showering in water smelling of brimstone and sulphur...... you've been to Sheffield then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted November 20, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 20, 2013 Meanwhile in Russia... http://www.flickr.com/photos/62107343@N04/9755908531/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Who said the Dodo was extinct? Do Do + Do Do! Who said the Dodo was extinct? Do Do + Do Do! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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