JimF51 Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 The topic of how much detail has been discussed on MRExpress, but I think a thread on here would be a good idea. Jim F Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.A.T.Ford Posted February 22, 2015 Share Posted February 22, 2015 I'll be pleased when my E4 arrives. As long as it looks right, and more importantly runs OK i'll be please. From my point of view it will be a three role loco: Passenger trains, goods trains and shunter. I just need the Birdcage set.... From a critical point of view, not aimed at the E4, but a general comment. With regard detail, I'd rather have less than more if it's of a unique nature. Such things being of an easily added on nature. I tend to leave most detail parts in the plastic bag. Can I refer you to post #119 which seems to have disappeared in the squabbles about track and other things. Having seen, handled and operated the production model I can say you will not be disappointed. CAT 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Looks like the LBSC versions have either just arrived, or have just been posted up look rather nice... not sure about the wheels... only thing I can go on is the preserved LBSC livery...http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/image_box.php?image=images1%2Fbranchline%2F35-075.jpg&cat_no=35-075&info=0&width=650&height=355 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rail-Online Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Looks like the LBSC versions have either just arrived, or have just been posted up look rather nice... not sure about the wheels... only thing I can go on is the preserved LBSC livery... http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/image_box.php?image=images1%2Fbranchline%2F35-075.jpg&cat_no=35-075&info=0&width=650&height=355 Looks pretty but my eyes were drawn straight away to the black buffer bodies on the red bufferbeams. A minutes googling revealed what offended my eyes, on the preserved one indeed the buffers are black however this is the entire metal buffer housing including the flange that is bolted onto the wooden bufferbeam. Bachmann have taken the easy option and just painted the 'plug in' moulding black leaving the flange red. Looks strange to anyone who has painted a model. Yes I know it is easy to add some black paint but of course that would de-value a collectors item and I bet 95% of people reading this will not bother. Am I the only one that finds silly details like this (and the lack of cab front lining on the SR version) disappointing? Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted February 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) Looks pretty but my eyes were drawn straight away to the black buffer bodies on the red bufferbeams. A minutes googling revealed what offended my eyes, on the preserved one indeed the buffers are black however this is the entire metal buffer housing including the flange that is bolted onto the wooden bufferbeam. Bachmann have taken the easy option and just painted the 'plug in' moulding black leaving the flange red. Looks strange to anyone who has painted a model. Yes I know it is easy to add some black paint but of course that would de-value a collectors item and I bet 95% of people reading this will not bother. Am I the only one that finds silly details like this (and the lack of cab front lining on the SR version) disappointing? Tony Dunno about you, but I'm not in the business of storing models on behalf of future collectors. By the time my models enter that market I shan't be around to bother about one fetching a tenner less because I made it more accurate. In my case, a smidge of black paint round the base of the buffers is the least they'll have to worry about! The mere act of opening the box, let alone the cardinal sin of actually running the thing will "devalue" it and I'll be damned if I am going to curtail my enjoyment of any model I've paid my money for just so my executor can pander to somebody else's obsessions after I'm pushing up daisies! John Edited February 27, 2015 by Dunsignalling 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spet0114 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 Hmm.... sorely tempted to add an SR green one to my existing LBSCR pre-order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 The E4 is not critical to me as a western division modeler. I might get one if they come out in Southern Black with Sunshine lettering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 ........... as a western division modeler. .............. . What did the Western Division use as a heavy shunter pick-up goods tank ? . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted March 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 1, 2015 . What did the Western Division use as a heavy shunter pick-up goods tank ? . I'm not sure that it did. The Brighton had an enormous number of tank engines, some of which, like the E4, were fit for freight as well as passenger duties, while the E3 and E6 had smaller wheels and were freight-specific. I suspect the SW used tender engines more often for such duties. Think 700. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglian Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 I have an LBSC one on order – it looks far better than the preview images suggested it might. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglian Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 With deference to those who were involved, my understanding is that the duties were separate. Heavy shunters were the G and H16, but there does not appear any evidence to suggest that they operated pick-up goods duties. But they looked the business though, and no doubt someone will produce r-t-r versions when other ides have run out. PB I believe they were sometimes used on the Ascot race traffic – I've always thought that could be the theme for a boxed set were such a model produced. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 A number of E4s were transferred to both the Eastern and Western Divisions, initially during the war. They could be found, at various times, at Eastleigh, Nine Elms, Feltham, Salisbury, Guildford and Gilingham, as well as one which visited the Isle of Wight. As for heavy goods on the Western Division, the H16s were used on general goods, as discussed in the Waddon Marsh thread, and one shouldn't forget the W class, which may be an earlier prospect on the Bachmann wish list, with their N class for starters. I am not sure about the Z class, which had a more limited range of duties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 The Z class did work on the western division, i know of two that were worked at Exeter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 1, 2015 The majority of pick-up goods workings on the South Western main lines were handled by tender locos (late 50s to end of steam). Intermediate shunts were generally performed by the train engine unless a branch tank was available between passenger trips (e.g. at Seaton Junction, where it was not uncommon to see an M7 shunting the Express Dairy with the p/p set still attached!) For me, living in Axminster, it meant primarily 700s or moguls, occasionally a Q (though these were not common in the West Country), an S15 if the load warranted it or nothing smaller was available. On rare occasions, even a Light Pacific. The odd M7 or "Midland tank" (Ivatt 2MT) used to show up but only if covering for a non-available rostered loco. In the early sixties a lot of the duties were taken over by Ws (very short term) and BR4 2-6-0s and 2-6-4Ts as they were transferred into the area. It was not until this that tank engines appeared on such trains with any degree of predictability. Q1s weren't seen with any great regularity west of Salisbury and to see one west of Yeovil was very unusual. Although not a pick-up duty they did occasionally turn up on a weekly as-required Engineers train that conveyed materials from (I think) Eastleigh/Redbridge to Exmouth Jn. but even that was not guaranteed to produce one. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spet0114 Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Hmm.... sorely tempted to add an SR green one to my existing LBSCR pre-order. Succumbed.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted March 3, 2015 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 3, 2015 The Z class did work on the western division, i know of two that were worked at Exeter The Z class was primarily designed to be yard shunters rather than trip engines. For example 957 was allocated to Salisbury for use in East Yard which was operated 24/7 and the quieter 3 cylinder exhaust beat was preferred by the local residents who complained when a 2 cylinder G6 barked around the yard when the Z was unavailable. Indeed they were used on banking duties between St David's and Central stations until the arrival of the larger W Class tanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KalKat Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Did the Zs work Feltham yard too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Yes they did work Feltam yard,there are a number of photo showing them there on the net. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spet0114 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Nice review of the BR-liveried version in the latest edition of the toddler... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Emily Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I heard unofficially on Thursday that some of the E4s have already arrived and are at Barwell. However, there aren't enough there to fulfill pre-orders so Bachmann have decided to wait for the rest of the delivery before distributing to shops. As much as I want mine, I have to agree with Bachmann that it seems a fair way to avoid controversy of some shops getting their orders whilst others are left waiting for the second delivery. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I heard unofficially on Thursday that some of the E4s have already arrived and are at Barwell. However, there aren't enough there to fulfill pre-orders so Bachmann have decided to wait for the rest of the delivery before distributing to shops. As much as I want mine, I have to agree with Bachmann that it seems a fair way to avoid controversy of some shops getting their orders whilst others are left waiting for the second delivery. Thanks heavens for that - the last thing we want is a million disgruntled RMwebbers moaning that they've not got one yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) Did hear from a model shop who I think was at the launch of the 2015 range there were some on a boat, by now I would say a week away? As it was 2 - 3 weeks ago when I was told. So I would have a guess thats the other batch? Edited March 14, 2015 by Bluebell Model Railway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dseagull Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) Unexpected pleasure this morning of a £300 rebate from Southern Water. That'll be an E4 coming my way then...! Edited March 14, 2015 by dseagull 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tetsudofan Posted March 14, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 14, 2015 ....ah, that's where my money has gone......just got statement from Southern Water....account £42.17 in credit....monthly standing order being increased from £17.60 a month to £24.70 a month!! Enjoy the E4 Keith PS: can't seem to quote dseagull's posting despite clicking the "reply quoting this post" button Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 ....ah, that's where my money has gone......just got statement from Southern Water....account £42.17 in credit....monthly standing order being increased from £17.60 a month to £24.70 a month!! Enjoy the E4 Keith PS: can't seem to quote dseagull's posting despite clicking the "reply quoting this post" button You are probably using IEX11 as a browser - Change to Firefox - For some reason, probably security related, IEX will no longer do a lot of things on this site - including uploading images to a blog and quoting pages. If you lower the security settings on IEX to "Please give me a virus, now" then these services might just return, but don't bank on it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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