LMS 1934 Jinty renumberings - lettering style?

[Alex TM]

Hi folks,

 

From various pictures and written sources I am aware that the above locomotives were renumbered during 1934.  I have pictures of locos with their original four or five digit numbers, using the Midland style gold typeface; I can also find photographs that appear to show renumbered locomotives with the red shaded yellow font.  Can anyone tell me, though, what font style and colour would have been used when they were renumbered?  Would they have gained the lettering 'LMS' on the tanksides at this point too?

 

I have the HMRS renumbering sheets, however neither they nor the other resources I can find tell me the answer.  At the moment I have a few of these locos that I plan to backdate from BR to LMS condition and would simply like to have as much variety as possible in terms of lettering colour, style and position.

 

Many thanks in advance for taking the time to read this, and for any help offered.

 

Regards,

 

Alex.

[LMS2968]

Bit late now; I'll look tomorrow!

[LMS2968]

I've had a browse through Bob Essery and David Jenkinson's 'An Illustrated History of LMS Locomotives', which is the Bible so far as liveries are concerned.

 

These engines and their ex-LMS forebears were always painted black, but that's about the only common denominator. Pre-1928, they had their numbers in large (14") numerals on the tank sides with LMS in a vermilion panel with (usually) inset corners on the bunker sides. These panels were 11" high by 32" long with the letters fully enclosed in gold leaf with black shading, as was the border.

 

This livery was swept away from 1928 onwards, when the letters LMS migrated to the tank sides, the lettering being 14" and the numerals now on the bunker 10", both in gold leaf with black shading. Since the bunker was also black, the shading didn't show up. An alternative was as above, but with straw coloured insignia without shading. These were the standard liveries from 1928 to 1937, when the same but with red shading came in. The the situation continued through the renumbering of 1934, the change coming in 1937 when the style was changed to letters and numerals without serifs, which only a few tanks received; this also required a change of smokebox numberplate to the same style. This style wasn't long lived as numbers could be difficult to read on a dirty engine, the serif type being easier.

 

Watch out for these books, although they are in five volumes and quite expensive. But for an individual engine, you really need to find photographs to check for any variations.

[BR60103]

Locomotive Liveries of the LMS says that some of the renumbered jinties had the numbers painted on. The colour might be gold, yellow or straw.

Sheds other than Crewe may have used up older lettering stocks.

[PenrithBeacon]

Hi folks,

 

... using the Midland style gold typeface ...

 

Alex.

 

There were small changes between the MR and LMS typeface.

 

A cheaper book is the monograph on the Jinty see http://pufferwillies.co.uk/uk2ecommerce/product/lms_locomotive_profiles_no_14_-_the_standard_class_3_freight_tank_engines_isbn_9781905184804/

or http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/lms-locomotive-profiles or http://www.billhudsontransportbooks.co.uk/selected-product.php?prod=lms+locomotive+profiles+no+14+the+jinties&pid=2454

 

 

 

There are shows where traders in railway photos exhibit, don't know about Scotland though.

 

Regards

[Alex TM]

Hi folks,

 

Thanks for all the suggestions.  I now have a copy of the Wild Swan monograph on the class; it has plenty of useful pics.  As for photographs, there is a society that does sell b&w prints at ModelRail.  I'm planning to go there in a fortnight so I'll have a look.

 

Once more, many thanks for the links and information.

 

Regards,

 

Alex.