matty1988 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Hi I need help,with my n gauge layout. what I want is a plan with all signals slips poins I need for my terminus station. It's a branch line of 4 track line to a 4 track station. Trains will enter and leave within 10mins. It is used by northern rail transpennine dmu and voyagers. There is a heratage line depot on it and the station is just long enought to fit the voyager. The line is set as what I see I model as I live york it's york Yorkshire. If it was London it would be tube zone 1/2. On image green is station showing were Plats are respective to track. Brown is depot and red is direction arrow I want to know all signals(modern3/4 aspect) slips points(using stream flexi track would use fine scale slips ) and want the entrance to depo modeling ( point that leave network rail line to drop land only as can unsure of depot track plan) itmismset in very modern era with a national crime agency building. Amd the terminus is a comutor one trains enter leave with in 10 scale minuets I would,liek to know what signals I need and were for entering and leaving station and whilst in the station. The gap is,to sow before after point slips signal Any other info you need ask away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyfox Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 What is very unlikely from your plan is that 4 approach lines would terminate in 4 platform faces. It is more likely that the 2 outer lines would be loops/storage sidings and then the point work is simplified considerably. Even very busy terminus stations (Charing Cross) have only 2 approach lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1988 Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share Posted February 14, 2014 I want connect add the slip point work for the line dunce scale and streamline Mix. What loop plats for how they work quick sketch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1988 Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share Posted February 14, 2014 Oh the station was 6 plats but beaching removed plays and. 80s the pointS now it's been reopened so no point Work as yet but. Back bord shows construction work for building of other to lines (gonna be international euro start voyager service ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted February 14, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 14, 2014 What is very unlikely from your plan is that 4 approach lines would terminate in 4 platform faces. It is more likely that the 2 outer lines would be loops/storage sidings and then the point work is simplified considerably. Even very busy terminus stations (Charing Cross) have only 2 approach lines. The final approch to Charing Cross station is actually 4 tracks (starting all the way back at Metropolitan Junction and extending through Waterloo East - its the London Bridge to Met Junction section over Borough Market that's 2). However due to the river Bridge which is actually 3 separate structures (a 3 track, a single track, then a double track) most of the pointwork is on the South Bank. Also the station tends to be worked as 3 platforms for suburban working (fed by one of the pairs from Metropolitan Junction) with the other 3 platforms used by main line services fed by the other pair. If you are after a 4 plaformed termi fed by a 4 track mainline then Fenchurch St at first glance fits the bill, but as with Charing Cross, the 4 track section is relatively short and is probably more help in concentrating certain services into certain platforms On a wider point though, the biggest constraining factor when it comes to termi (or even intermediate stations come to that) is the number of plaforms rather than the number of approch tracks. As has been mentioned before St Pancras only has capacity to deal with half the number of trains the double track HS1 could provide, and at the rebuilt London Bridge Charing Cross services will still only have to tracks across Borough Market but London Bridge will have 4 platforms allowing a second train to pull in as the adjacent one departs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyMay Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I think the OP may have dyslexia or dyspraxia or similar so some patience and understanding would be helpful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokebox Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Yes, matty has said on another forum that he is dislexic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 What might help, then, is if he draws it out as neatly as possible on paper, in colours, then scans it in and posts it? I used to teach both dyslexic, and remedial kids but can't make anything out of what he wants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted February 14, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 14, 2014 I may be wrong, and if I am I apologise, but I think Matty is looking for what would be the point layout to get from his 4 track throat to the platform layout. If I am right that means he cannot do what you are asking for Jeff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Maybe, but I can't make head nor tail of his drawing which is done, unless I' very much mistaken, in "paint"? (MS Paint?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bri.s Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I may be wrong but I think the green lines are platforms and the black are the track .So you have from the left hand side; track, platform , 2 tracks a platform then a track on the outside again .basicly 2 island platforms with 4 platform faces .then you have 2 inbound tracks on the right and 2 out bound on the left and the op needs to know how to get from 2 in 2 out to four platform faces .ill get the pen and paper out tonight and have a play but Wish i was good with temploy or something like that . Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Hi mate, I too am struggling to figure out what exactly it is that you want. I think you want to know how to turn 4 approach tracks into a 4 platform station with a depot road? An idea of scale and space would certainly help us to help you. Also in regards to your mention of "scale time", there isn't really any such thing. If you wanted to scale time as such, then if we approximated 4mm scale to 1:60 for the sake of easy maths then that would mean that your ten minute departures would be 10 seconds! More like 8 seconds if you used the correct 1:76! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I would suggest looking at google maps for Kings cross. The problem is that there are limited examples of 4 track paired by direction leading into a terminal station. Assuming the layout is slow, fast, fast, slow I would have two scissors crossing next to the platforms between each up lines and down lines. After this would be another scissor crossing between the fast lines and then two crossovers going fast to slow going away from the station and slow to fast going towards the station. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Hi Matty, I think I have an idea what you are proposing. However by running pairs of "up" and "down" lines into the station throat you are making your track layout more complicated in terms of the numbers of points needed. With the lines designated Up, Up, Down, Down, you'll need to install pointwork that enables all incoming trains to use any of the platform faces/tracks in the terminus, and trains to depart from any of those tracks. If you were to change the plan to Up, Down, Up, Down, then the downside is that you effectively split the station into two (serving two separate destinations), but only need a scissors crossover (Google that if you're unsure) on each of the two pairs of tracks. Then, if you want to join the two pairs, so that trains can use the other side of the station, you can use additional crossovers (probably easier which regular points and diamond crossings). Modern signals usually have an indicator below the colour aspect - home signals on the approach, starter signnals for leaving the station, which will show the route selected. Come back when you're plan is more refined and I'm sure you can be pointed to some prototype examples. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 The problem here is that any line with enough traffic to justify a 4-track main line is probably going to end in a station with more than 4 platforms. Like another poster above, the only example I can think of is Fenchurch Street, which is very different in character from anywhere in Yorkshire. As far as I can see from Google Maps, the arrangement at Fenchurch Street is something like this: You might consider looking at Scarborough: the station there is 5 platforms (although you could easily lose one of them) and there are four tracks away from the station at least as far as the first scenic break (an overbridge). Not all of them are running lines: a couple seem to be sidings and one of those runs along what looks like the remains of one of the special platforms for excursion traffic that many seaside town stations used to have. Although that wouldn't give you the four-track running you're after, it might play well with your heritage railway idea: that could utilise the old, unused platforms and tracks. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve-e Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 I can understand what he wants, he wants help filling in the gap. He has a Heritage Line Depot Road (Preserved Railway) Which is in the Brown box, 2 platforms coloured Green, Train lines are Black and direction of travel are Red. These are the bits at the bottom and he has 4 approach lines at the top now fill in the middle bit for him. It's a Terminus station similar to London layouts but he will be modelling as he sees the Railways now in Yorkshire. He wants to know where the Signals would be and also how to model the enterance to the Heritage line depot. As Woody Fox says it would probably be simpler with 2 approach line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1988 Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 It original was originals 6 plats but beaching removed 2!plats and and track work but never up routed track ( to costly) in 80 to save maintenance the point slips for the final 2 lines from the normal line. As today the back scenic back bored shows the building work to repel open closed platforms as the land is still unsued. That's y it's its 4 track 4 plats hope makes scene. Can anyone make the plan with list and placing of slips points signals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1988 Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 The line is actual we're to tracks meet at a junction. More or Bradford interchange style. Nit all trains go on other route. Most go back same way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1988 Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 Nets yes but depot simply the point that contexts to running line and signals for network line Nets mean nes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1988 Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 There ones I had but there 6 plats and a avoid all I need is 4 track no avoid. In steam era the loco would uncouple and one would attach from other end from depot. When train left the remaining loco would return to depot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1988 Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 If i do a scarb can someone show me point work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1988 Posted February 20, 2014 Author Share Posted February 20, 2014 Any help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1988 Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 Plan I was given can u re add point miners as can't see and also add signals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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