Information relating to passenger/ parcel trains at Crewe during 1977/8 required.

[NeilH]

Hi

 

I was hoping that someone maybe able to help me with the following request..

 

If anyone has details relating to passenger/ parcels trains (formation and stock numbers) at Crewe seen during 1977/8 please would they be kind enough to share it with me ? Any information would be appreciated.

 

I am currently working on a 00 model of Crewe South Junction during this period and this information would help me with modelling the prototype.

 

Thanks and regards

 

Neil.

[roythebus]

There used to be an 00-silly-o-clock (maybe about 0020) from Rugby to Crewe parcels; it was the first train I worked on BR as a secondman. It was a class 83 and a Southern utility van! Overpowered or what? With 3 men as well...

[eastwestdivide]

Here's a couple of visits from your time frame and just after.

Throughout, I've not recorded regional prefixes except for some pre-BR designs and a few oddments. You'd have to find an RCTS coaching stock book of the period to work out the prefixes

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Crewe, 25/11/1978

 

Typical WCML Euston formation, 1st class at the South end:

86242 with 12149, 12121, 12157, 12133, 12164, 12080, 1554, 3346, 11016, 11013, 81391

(Mk3s mostly, Mk1 buffet and brake, and a Mk2 air-con 1st class 3346)

 

possibly cross-country or secondary service to Euston:

86031 with 81474, 14117, 13464, 5598, 1816, 5261, 5541, 5433, 5266, 5527, 5595

(non-air-con Mk2s mostly) 

 

Cardiff/Crewe service, probably:

25043 with 26126, 34943, 15863, 26108, 35035, 15865

(compartment Mk1s)

 

a parcels rake parked up with no loco:

80883, 86689, S1512, S2077, S2123, S1490, S1728, 94245, 81009

(BG, GUV, 5x SR-design 4-wheelers, CCT, BG)

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A year later, 22/9/1979, for the open day, but seen at the station:

Typical Euston formation:

87009 with 12016, 12046, 6113, 12146, 12067, 6021, 12164, 10011, 3328, 11046, 11024, 81444

(mixed Mk3/Mk2s, with a Mk3 buffet and a Mk1 BG)

 

Cardiff/Crewe:

25042 with 26087, 34529, 15862, 35029, 16076, 26083

all Mk1s

 

unknown working:

83011 with 81143, 25725, 4982, 4885, 13308, 25764, 25601

(Mk1s, mixed compartment and opens)

 

Possibly Holyhead/Chester - Euston working, as air-con Mk2s with a buffet:

47515 with 6158, 6025, 6162, 1687, 3385, 5943, 3289, 3331, 3435, 81498

 

interesting parcels train:

47348 with M31414, S240, 80970, 26092, 94340, S246, S201, E31086*, 86335, 86382, 86783, ADB975776**, 86776

(LMS brake, SR brake, BG, SK, CCT, 2x SR brake, LMS brake, 3xGUV, Enparts van, GUV)

*LMS brake prefixed with an E

**ENPARTS van coded QRV, ex-GW milk van/?Syphon

 

Enough? Also EMUs (class 304) and various DMUs, the odd freight.

[NeilH]

 

Here's a couple of visits from your time frame and just after.

Throughout, I've not recorded regional prefixes except for some pre-BR designs and a few oddments. You'd have to find an RCTS coaching stock book of the period to work out the prefixes

_______

 

Crewe, 25/11/1978

 

Typical WCML Euston formation, 1st class at the South end:

86242 with 12149, 12121, 12157, 12133, 12164, 12080, 1554, 3346, 11016, 11013, 81391

(Mk3s mostly, Mk1 buffet and brake, and a Mk2 air-con 1st class 3346)

 

possibly cross-country or secondary service to Euston:

86031 with 81474, 14117, 13464, 5598, 1816, 5261, 5541, 5433, 5266, 5527, 5595

(non-air-con Mk2s mostly) 

 

Cardiff/Crewe service, probably:

25043 with 26126, 34943, 15863, 26108, 35035, 15865

(compartment Mk1s)

 

a parcels rake parked up with no loco:

80883, 86689, S1512, S2077, S2123, S1490, S1728, 94245, 81009

(BG, GUV, 5x SR-design 4-wheelers, CCT, BG)

_______

 

A year later, 22/9/1979, for the open day, but seen at the station:

Typical Euston formation:

87009 with 12016, 12046, 6113, 12146, 12067, 6021, 12164, 10011, 3328, 11046, 11024, 81444

(mixed Mk3/Mk2s, with a Mk3 buffet and a Mk1 BG)

 

Cardiff/Crewe:

25042 with 26087, 34529, 15862, 35029, 16076, 26083

all Mk1s

 

unknown working:

83011 with 81143, 25725, 4982, 4885, 13308, 25764, 25601

(Mk1s, mixed compartment and opens)

 

Possibly Holyhead/Chester - Euston working, as air-con Mk2s with a buffet:

47515 with 6158, 6025, 6162, 1687, 3385, 5943, 3289, 3331, 3435, 81498

 

interesting parcels train:

47348 with M31414, S240, 80970, 26092, 94340, S246, S201, E31086*, 86335, 86382, 86783, ADB975776**, 86776

(LMS brake, SR brake, BG, SK, CCT, 2x SR brake, LMS brake, 3xGUV, Enparts van, GUV)

*LMS brake prefixed with an E

**ENPARTS van coded QRV, ex-GW milk van/?Syphon

 

Enough? Also EMUs (class 304) and various DMUs, the odd freight.

 

Many thanks for this - Great stuff !

 

If you have any more information such as this it would be much appreciated,

 

Thanks and regards

 

Neil

[eastwestdivide]

I suspect the Yahoo coaching stock group might have a lot more info...

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/BRCoachingStock/info

[NeilH]

I suspect the Yahoo coaching stock group might have a lot more info...

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/BRCoachingStock/info

Thanks - I have used this (excellent) group to gain information on LMR coaching stock formations during 1977/8 and found some useful examples of actual formations.

 

Kind regards

 

Neil.

[stovepipe]

I posted a TOPS consist for a parcels train at Carlisle from July 1980, here.

 

Okay so it didn't go to Crewe and it's a slightly later period, but it does give a flavour of WCML parcel trains.