Red Baron Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Infamous place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Orgreave Around this time we were doing site visits in connection with our planned Woodhead layout and saw several lorry convoys Not really a balanced account is it? But then I thought Politics was a no go on here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted March 15, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) Orgreave Colliery Junction NCB 0-6-0DS approaching Jan 79 C4332.jpg Orgreave Colliery Junction NCB 0-6-0DS approaching Jan 79 C4332 David The loco is one of the Yorkshire Engine Co 'Janus' 0-6-0 DEs, shortly to be modelled by Golden Valley Hobbies, though sadly not in green livery. syks - bsc orgreaves ye 0-6-0 diesel 2444-17 in 82 JL by John Law, on Flickr Was this the previous photo? (the caption suggests it was taken afterwards, though the rake of hoppers seem to be exactly the same) https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/5646763230/ Edited March 15, 2017 by stovepipe 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Not really a balanced account is it? But then I thought Politics was a no go on here? Sorry but I was merely providing a reference to the place, no politics intended, and as such I made no further comment. It is infamous whichever side of the political divide you stand on and most likely the best (unfortunately), maybe the only thing that the site will be remembered for. If it's deemed inappropriate can the mods please remove it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Jumpers for goalposts! Bin lid for a wicket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted March 15, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2017 And this timewarp can still take us back there.... http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/78401-netherwood-sidings/page-2 Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) Not really a balanced account is it? But then I thought Politics was a no go on here? Sorry to divert from yet more of Dave's excellent photos. . Not intended to be a political statement either, just observations of someone who was thereabouts in 1984-1985 Orgreave could be interpreted as the start of Arthur Scargill's decline, and confirmation of his "arrogance". . When calling the strike, he brought his men out in the spring (when the warmer weather was coming), when coal stocks were the highest on record, and he overlooked the fact that (because of Brixton, Toxteh, St.Paul's etc) the police were better organised, equipped and trained since Saltley in 1972. The product of the BSC Orgreave ovens was shipped to steel plants with deep water wharves, where previously stockpiled coke (in anticipation) was shipped in from the continent, so the lorry convoys were unnecessary, and nothing but a distraction. . Had Arthur deployed his men in/around the power stations along 'Megawatt Valley' the outcome of the dispute may have been different - AND it follows, many of those pickets arrested at Orgreave would never have experienced the inside of a police cell.. . Brian R Edited March 15, 2017 by br2975 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railsquid Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 C4335 - love the way the embankment behind the locos blends into the backscene. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Do I take it that the colliery had a coking plant by it - or are they mining coke as well as treacle in Yorkshire? There was indeed a coke works, the ovens closed in 1990. Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgreave_Colliery I've no idea how accurate that information is. I can't find anything else really useful on the web about it. David Yup, that's about it. There were quite a few in the area; https://www.flickr.com/photos/dodger5450/11500952853/lightbox/ When I were a lad (groan), the orange glow in the sky came from these things and not streetlights. One of the by products from the Smithywood plant (above) was Izal disinfectant, and presumably the hard glazed toilet paper, which was shipped out in special vans; http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brizalvan/h1c8c1a43#h1c8c1a43 Rotherham Corporation Transport buses had a specific destination 'Izal Factory' which was a workers service variant on route 16 Rotherham to Chapeltown. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted March 15, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2017 Ah. THAT Orgreave. Who could have thought that someone actually bought that Izal bog roll though! #shudders at school memories# Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 When I were a lad (groan), the orange glow in the sky came from these things and not streetlights. One of the by products from the Smithywood plant (above) was Izal disinfectant, and presumably the hard glazed toilet paper, which was shipped out in special vans; http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brizalvan/h1c8c1a43#h1c8c1a43 Good film on Making Izal: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/111335-steam-railway/&do=findComment&comment=2313128 Newton Chambers making Coke(Not Car Carriers): and plenty of Izal "product placement" in this film. probably a Newton Chambers promo film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhwkZtAzoZk&t=311s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted March 15, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) The loco is one of the Yorkshire Engine Co 'Janus' 0-6-0 DEs, shortly to be modelled by Golden Valley Hobbies, though sadly not in green livery. syks - bsc orgreaves ye 0-6-0 diesel 2444-17 in 82 JL by John Law, on Flickr Was this the previous photo? (the caption suggests it was taken afterwards, though the rake of hoppers seem to be exactly the same) https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/5646763230/ I took it afterwards, it was the next frame on the film. David Edited March 15, 2017 by DaveF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted March 15, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) Southern Electrics today with another quick look at Petts Wood. Petts Wood Class 414 6143 Victoria to Margate Nov 79 C4883 Petts Wood Class 415 5231 Orpington to Victoria Nov 79 C4889 Petts Wood Class 415 5336 down 3rd May 80 C5021 Petts Wood Class 411 down 3rd May 80 C5022 Petts Wood Class 423 7769 up 3rd May 80 C5023 Petts Wood Dept stores unit 024 3rd May 80 C5028 David Edited March 15, 2017 by DaveF 33 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted March 15, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2017 Hi, Dave. A great set of photos from Petts Wood this afternoon. In C5023, the unit coupled behind the class 423 looks like a class 414 from the toilet in the first car, and blue livery. Good to see the stores unit in the last photo. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Yup, that's about it. There were quite a few in the area; https://www.flickr.com/photos/dodger5450/11500952853/lightbox/ When I were a lad (groan), the orange glow in the sky came from these things and not streetlights. One of the by products from the Smithywood plant (above) was Izal disinfectant, and presumably the hard glazed toilet paper, which was shipped out in special vans; http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brizalvan/h1c8c1a43#h1c8c1a43 Rotherham Corporation Transport buses had a specific destination 'Izal Factory' which was a workers service variant on route 16 Rotherham to Chapeltown. I have a few pictures of Orgreave, taken when I quickly popped into the site one Sunday - "quick before a manager sees you" http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/orgreave Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Ah. THAT Orgreave. Who could have thought that someone actually bought that Izal bog roll though! #shudders at school memories# Presumably the 'Medication' in the rolls was intended to reduce the damage from paper cuts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Every damned sheet had "Izal Medicated" on one corner, in pale red if I recall, and "Now wash your hands please" in another. Horrid stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Hi David, Great set of photos as always. Isn't that a CEP in C5022? Best regards, Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted March 15, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2017 Hi David, Great set of photos as always. Isn't that a CEP in C5022? Best regards, Jeremy Yes, caption altered. Many thanks, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 15, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2017 Every damned sheet had "Izal Medicated" on one corner, in pale red if I recall, and "Now wash your hands please" in another. Horrid stuff. Great if you had eyes in your @rse. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) Great if you had eyes in your @rse. Mike. As long as it's not a j@ps eye! Edited March 15, 2017 by Porcy Mane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Bring back Izal loo roll make the youngsters suffer as we did outside loo,s as well! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 15, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2017 Izal? Luxury Make the little b*ggers use Daily Mirror pages cut into quarters! Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Maybe I was imagining the 'Izal Factory' destination on the bus blind, just unwound the two I have and it's on neither Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 15, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2017 Izal? Luxury Make the little b*ggers use Daily Mirror pages cut into quarters! Keith That's too good a use for the Daily Mirror. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Bring back Izal loo roll make the youngsters suffer as we did outside loo,s as well! BR was still using this in the Early 1980's and was known as John Wayne Toilet Roll, it was Rough, Tough and took no ##it! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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