Super Detail Bachmann 00 Models. The Golden Age?

[robmcg]

In view of questions about supply, quality and pricing of current and future Bachmann models, it occurred to me while photographing some recent purchases just how really very good these models of BR steam are, and I asked myself what prices might be reached, and if indeed these very fiddly-to-assemble and fragile RTR models will be so common in the future.

 

The three BR Riddles Standard engines shown below exemplify to me the super-detail age of marvellous, fragile, beautiful models  produced from 2000 to the present. I bought these second-hand in the last few months. Each is a superb example of production engineering, two are from c2002, one from 2007.

 

My photos are edited (to a greater or lesser extent) using PSP6 photo software, the camera is a Canon point-and-shoot SX150is set to F8,  ISO 80,  centre-weighted-average auto focus, daylight and tungsten lamp lighting, auto colour filter setting, several photos with slightly different focussing and 10sec delayed shutter release. Then typically three pics are blended with editing and a background added. Some details are re-touched and/or edited-on.

 

 

First, below, the Class 5MT  a stalwart of BR work, much-liked by many BR enginemen and fitters, though some preferred the Stanier Black 5. 73110 was a Southern Region engine and took the name of a scrapped King Arthur during an overhaul in Jan 1960. It has the big BR1F tender, useful on the SR.  The model is outstanding, looks good pristine or weathered. Top marks Bachmann .

 

 

Second, below, the Riddles Standard 4MT tank engine, also much liked by crews, worked almost everywhere, 80032 was another Southern Region engine, withdrawn 1967.  This model is exceptionally well-detailed, a lot of labour in assembly of this and retail around £70 new even today on Ebay sometimes, I bought this one two weeks ago. Another early-2000s model.

 

 

Thirdly, below, the master of all BR Standards, the magnificent but short-lived 9F class. What a phenomenal engine, and what a fine model Bachmann do of this. These are so good when weathered. 92249 was the second-last 9F built at Crewe, in 1958, and was latterly a Carlisle engine. It got the BR1B tender c1965 until withdrawal in 1967. The model was weathered by a UK aftermarket seller, very nice work too. I should have lowered the top lamp bracket maybe, but haven't photos to show if or when this was done.  Stunning model.

 

 

More pics no doubt to come, celebrating these brilliant, relatively inexpensive, fragile beautiful RTR 00 models.

 

Rob

 

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[34theletterbetweenB&D]

It was the WD 2-8-0 that really got my attention. A vital model for post WWII steam operation, and the first time an OO steam model had  'the lot' as far as I was concerned. Unlike the earlier decent looking Replica then Bachmann B1, not only a body with pretty much all the practical detail in commercial 4mm; but a decently engineered mechanism too, with a good motor and sensible gear ratio for slow freight. The sprung axles either side of the driven axle a very valuable feature: I would suggest that as an OO steam model mechanism this has only just been surpassed by the Heljan Garratt model with compensation on both bogies. Not fragile either, nothing has fallen off despite near daily operation over coming up to 14 years.

 

For the first time, I could show an OO RTR model to my continental cousins that matched what had been baseline standard in HO models since the 1960s...

[robmcg]

Indeed the WD 2-8-0 set a mechanical standard which even Hornby too a long time to match, if it ever did.

 

I used to have a layout (2004-2010)  upon which many Hornby and Bachmann models saw hours of running, but not often many hours, and apart from valve gear issues on a couple of Bachmann models and a very occasional connecting rod fouling with front coupling pin on Hornby, no problems and up to 10-total or more with type 2/3 curves, more commonly 5-6 carriages were used. No motors burned out, no gear-trains going off, most engines didn't get heavily used.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCodGC84wQk&index=15&list=UUlysrDSa2FfenL9GoR-o1Bw

 

As to the 2-6-2T by Bachmann, I did this pic a couple of years ago.

 

 

Rob

 

 

[lofty1966]

I have to ask why you are adding/editing details while trying to show "how detailed" these Bachmann models are?

Surely that's defeating the object of your thread title ?

[Bernard Lamb]

Hi Rob,

Tender wheels on the WD cause a problem on some of my track due to the depth of the flanges.

Armour plate buffer heads on the big tank spoil that model, plus assembly faults if you got one from the wrong batch.

That particular 9F did have the lower lamp iron. Fitted circa 1964 when a few of them went to Carlisle and worked under the wires.

That leaves the small tank as probably the best model from the Riddles era.

However I am still waiting for them to produce the ultimate masterpiece in the form of the small mogul.

Bernard

['CHARD]

...... still waiting for them to produce the ultimate masterpiece in the form of the small mogul.

 

That would be phenomenal, Bernard.

 

If Barwell do this little beauty, it will be a wee masterpiece.  I live in hope.

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

I am an enthusiast for the run of 0-6-0s Barwell have embarked on. The classic UK steam design in all its variety; I am not a collector, but for these will make the exception and could see a display case in my future. I do wish they had tapped into this subject seam earlier, as the continuation looks likely to be at best temporarily derailed when labour wage increases force production of model railway out of China. (That's my projection of the effect of the mandated wage increases, and not yet accepted orthodoxy.)

 

Of these models, the J11 is the best so far. Only real fault the lack of a fully modelled coal space, sacrificed on the altar of the unrealistic onboard sound fad.

 

Other stand outs for me:

 

Fairburn 2-6-4T, picked this as my representative of the LMS/BR 4MTT design series, fine model in all respects.

Ivatt and BR Standard 4MT's.

9F, which only really needs the top of the frame plating modelled to be near perfect.

A2, helped not a little by the prototype's neatness.

 

Edited to add that not least of the contributors to my liking for Bach's steam product is the very neat drawbar arrangement for tenders, now further enhanced on the more recent product with an adjustable spacing slide, and then the icing on the cake of a very fine fall plate to cover the gap. I'll take this little package ahead of any separately fitted, let alone painted, parts on the backhead.

[MikeParkin65]

Whilst sometimes a little more 'clunky' than the best of the Hornby range I think Bachmann consistently capture the character of their prototypes. And the basic finish of Bachmann models is more convincing than Hornby have ever achieved.

 

As an LMS fan the standout models for me are the new Jubilee and the Super D. Oh and the 'Derby Twins' of course.

[Guest]

The Bachmann models that stand out to me:

 

One's I own;

 

1.) The S&D 7F has always looked superb in my book, and I feel Bachmann captured it perfectly!

 

2.) The WD 2-8-0. I have one of the earlier models from them (Running number 90566, can't remember reference number). I bought it second hand, expecting to find at least one thing missing, and I was surprised to find the model had no defects, only after running it a bit did I realise why, it's a very robust model!

 

3.) If we are allowing Diesels, EMU's and the like, then I would like to put forward the Class 419 MLV. I have always had a bit of a soft spot for single car vehicles, that move under their own power, and my favourite of these is the Class 419. Bachmann have done a great job in re-creating this in OO.

4.) The Class 411. Detail wise, it's superb, and it's running qualities are faultless in my eyes. However, I do have a bit of a problem which the connecting draw-bars between each carriage. They are extremely fiddly, and I have slightly damaged my model in trying to disconnect them on occasions.

 

The one's I'd like to own;

1.) 3MT standard tank. A good mate of mine has one, and it has made my jaw drop!

 

2.) 4MT Standard Mogul 76xxx. Specifically, Late Crest BR1B tender.

 

This is just my opinion, apologies if you do not agree with it.

[robmcg]

I have to ask why you are adding/editing details while trying to show "how detailed" these Bachmann models are?

Surely that's defeating the object of your thread title ?

 

The models are very well detailed straight from the box. Added details are in the supplied accessory packs, added either by glue or by photo editing usually both. The photos represent the models and in no way misrepresent the beautifully detailed models, in my opinion. How on earth does that defeat the question 'the golden age?' of detailed RTR 00 plastic models?

 

The photos are prefaced and/or captioned to state that they are enhanced or edited.

 

I have no wish to explain the reasons why I choose to add supplied details or edit details or enhance photos again.

 

If you don't like editing, even of backgrounds, you and the regular critics of such things please just move on.

 

Could we please concentrate on these excellent models produced between 2000 and 2014.

 

 

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[hornbyandbf3fan]

Some of my favourite Bachmann models, I think the J11 still edges it for me, such a nice model.

 

[robmcg]

Just saw the choices above, yes!  and thanks for the great photos, you make the J11 particularly good.  

 

I would make a list of the best Bachmann 00 steam era models but I have always had a weakness for express engines (and Garratts) . The pure modelling quality of the G2a and Fairburn tank, the 76000 Standards, as well as many other unsung heroes is undoubted.

 

Right now I am having an 'Improved Director' week or so, and simply love the shape of them and their brilliant working lives, having bought a BR apple green D11/2 'Hobbie Elliot' and having dug out my slightly-weathered D11/1 'Prince Albert' 

 

Hornby?  Wasn't that some manufacturer of clockwork trains or something before the war?

 

here is my much loved D11/1  with edited frames above front bogie and my own weathering. Also wheel guards and background,

 

 

Rob

[31A]

Indeed the WD 2-8-0 set a mechanical standard which even Hornby too a long time to match, if it ever did.

 

I used to have a layout (2004-2010)  upon which many Hornby and Bachmann models saw hours of running, but not often many hours, and apart from valve gear issues on a couple of Bachmann models and a very occasional connecting rod fouling with front coupling pin on Hornby, no problems and up to 10-total or more with type 2/3 curves, more commonly 5-6 carriages were used. No motors burned out, no gear-trains going off, most engines didn't get heavily used.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCodGC84wQk&index=15&list=UUlysrDSa2FfenL9GoR-o1Bw

 

As to the 2-6-2T by Bachmann, I did this pic a couple of years ago.

 

82016_SR_Guildford_Horsham_BR_Standard_3MT_1956_5abcd_p_r800.jpg

 

Rob

Nice picture of a small engine running bunker first, just makes a change!

[Nelson Jackson]

I would say that all of bachmanns models over the last years have been superb and may it continue.

[Market65]

Hi, Rob, I've just photo'd one of two WD's of mine, which has been detailed and weathered off a photo of it working a demolition train between Market Weighton and Kipling Cotes in early 1966.  I've altered it to it's N.E, fire-box condition, with crew in the cab and I had a go at the 'streaking' on the cylinder covers. Although not visible the rack for the fire-irons is on the other side of the tender. The WD -  a definite favourite of mine.

 

All the best,

 

Market65.

[Focalplane]

In looking at my roster, which is strongly biased toward LMS/LMR, only one is a Hornby. Most of the others are Bachmann. The rest are Comet, Brassmaster, DJH, Ks, Wills kits and three Airfix that each needs a new Comet chassis.

 

My biggest reason for not buying Hornby is that the front buffer beam is too high. Bachmann seem to have avoided this mistake, possibly because their coupling is not quite so obtrusive. All my locos have, or will have, screw link couplings.

 

In a nutshell, Bachmann has encouraged me to get back into UK prototype modeling after living in the USA and enjoying some of the fabulous HO models available, none of which are made by Bachmann - how ironic!

[M.Riddell]

Well, since my bias is Pre-Group (sorry, no time for BR! ), I'm glad that Bachmann decided to go ahead and do the 8K, 11E and 9J as that gives a good start for the Great Central. I managed to scrimp and save for the Collectors Club 9J (thankfully no Real Life.tm spoiling things at that time) and it's my favourite at the moment.

 

Bachmann's models do seem more solid compared with Hornby's efforts too. I think Hornby's are far too fragile for regular handling.

 

Mike.

[lofty1966]

The models are very well detailed straight from the box. Added details are in the supplied accessory packs, added either by glue or by photo editing usually both. The photos represent the models and in no way misrepresent the beautifully detailed models, in my opinion. How on earth does that defeat the question 'the golden age?' of detailed RTR 00 plastic models?

 

The photos are prefaced and/or captioned to state that they are enhanced or edited.

 

I have no wish to explain the reasons why I choose to add supplied details or edit details or enhance photos again.

 

If you don't like editing, even of backgrounds, you and the regular critics of such things please just move on.

 

Could we please concentrate on these excellent models produced between 2000 and 2014.

 

 

typo edit

I feel I should point out I do enjoy your pictures but in this instance your thread title and descriptions were somewhat vague hence the query !

Now you have explained in more detail it makes more sense (it wasn't clear you had added the detail packs).

No need to get all "pouty" and "precious" on me.....it was a genuine question.

[robmcg]

Well, since my bias is Pre-Group (sorry, no time for BR! ), I'm glad that Bachmann decided to go ahead and do the 8K, 11E and 9J as that gives a good start for the Great Central. I managed to scrimp and save for the Collectors Club 9J (thankfully no Real Life.tm spoiling things at that time) and it's my favourite at the moment.

 

Bachmann's models do seem more solid compared with Hornby's efforts too. I think Hornby's are far too fragile for regular handling.

 

Mike.

 

Given your pre-grouping bias I must ask if anyone makes any coaches which look like anything GCR? I just bought a D11 'Butler Henderson' (see D11 thread) and it cries out for something substantial in the coach department. I guess a Hornby Pullman is as close as I could get in RTR? I know Coachman makes or has made superb examples of GCR stock.

 

Here is my new purchase, well, my edited pic of the model ..    I can see the appeal of the Edwardian railways. 

 

I couldn't possibly go as far as liking 2-8-0s or lesser goods engines.  Well, maybe...

 

[Mark Dickerson]

In a nutshell, Bachmann has encouraged me to get back into UK prototype modeling after living in the USA and enjoying some of the fabulous HO models available, none of which are made by Bachmann - how ironic!

While I don't have any experience of the top end of US steam, I think most of their Spectrum range hold up pretty well. One day I will get that Shay...

 

In 4mm for me, I've a fondness for the Std 4MT 2-6-4t, but really the new chassis Pannier (in particular, the LT one) and Jinty are probably my favourites. The Bachmann 08 - a diesel! heresy! - kept me going through a bad phase of unreliable connections on the plank. Ultimately, they all score highly for looking good and running well.

[M.Riddell]

Given your pre-grouping bias I must ask if anyone makes any coaches which look like anything GCR? I just bought a D11 'Butler Henderson' (see D11 thread) and it cries out for something substantial in the coach department. I guess a Hornby Pullman is as close as I could get in RTR? I know Coachman makes or has made superb examples of GCR stock.

 

Here is my new purchase, well, my edited pic of the model ..    I can see the appeal of the Edwardian railways. 

 

I couldn't possibly go as far as liking 2-8-0s or lesser goods engines.  Well, maybe...

 

GC_d11_2abc_full_r800.jpg

 

I know that James Harrison's been doing some work in this thread HERE, but nothing in RTR at the moment. Depending on how Bachmann's SECR coaches do (when they appear), we might see some more pre-1923 stock and it's feasible that something GC could appear in Bach's range. I'm not going to hold my breath though!   Until then it's matter of kitbuilding and bashing.

 

As for the wee stuff? That's where all the charm is for me so I'm glad that the more common, workaday stock's finally getting some luurve from the manufacturers. It's certainly taken long enough! B)  Although in the unlikely event someone did a 9Q (LNER B7) I'd pounce on it in an instant - assuming I had enough moolah though...

 

Mike.

[coachmann]

My biggest reason for not buying Hornby is that the front buffer beam is too high. Bachmann seem to have avoided this mistake, possibly because their coupling is not quite so obtrusive. All my locos have, or will have, screw link couplings.

 

It is a long time since Triang and Hornby produced locos and stock with buffer height miles too high.  I don't know when Hornby started to produce scale models ala Bachmann. Maybe it was around 2000 when they moved production to China....?

[Phil Bullock]

92249 with lowered lamp bracket Rob?

 

Here she is from David Quayle's photostream on Flikr

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/16236990@N08/2966599691/in/photolist-5xFzQ3-5w9AJx-5we3zb-fTp8o-qcVZ1-feFVu-7a82ST-R7knA-5w9HC8-9QG968-a6gJGC-59Wyp9-4dAES9-neb2Lx-dxW8DU-iv4KMi-8gz2y2-dHwY5e-9kxAx5-bvPSmN-cYkc4J-9UCQcw-gSQjGM-9m7rPM-dDQSwA-ntVmdT-6EWD67-63nK6T-egNGEJ-9mGaC7-i14uBU-jyyzBz-6sL2qW-d6sZtq-a6mBGH-5mpvsv-5xQ1zX-neAV52-8im9Yn-53W21L-hvZrGu-jJjLSh-aoe1HS-9Mgtqp-dozvpL-doznCF-doznq2-dozuE3-dozmUk-dozmwk

 

Phil

[34theletterbetweenB&D]

My biggest reason for not buying Hornby is that the front buffer beam is too high...

The 'newly tooled in China' items - unless I am much mistaken - are all right. However they have marketed a whole of load of models made in China, but from largely unchanged Margate era tooling; and there the buffer beam is often too high in the olde style. This large legacy of earlier tooling still in use makes care in selection necessary...

[Phil Bullock]

Some of my favourite Bachmann models, I think the J11 still edges it for me, such a nice model.

 

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Standard 4s always a favourite of mine!

 

You might find 75033 runs better if you adjust the angle of the valve gear return crank - see http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=75069&go=Submit+Query&qs=bs&form=QBIR#view=detail&id=D06D4D334ACB34F072BD5161BA7DD0A1146F67CE&selectedIndex=669, should be above the con rods and not far off the wheel centre

 

Had the same issues with some Bachy Jubilees

 

Kind regards

 

Phil