RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted July 30, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2014 Hi, Pleae can anyone help me? In the first photo below, you can see the main telegraph pole route at the side of the main lines through Bakewell goods yard. In the centre of the photo, is a much shorter pole, with a square box associated with it. First thought is that it's a lineside telephone, but that raises some questions: Why have a lineside telephone within shouting distance of the signal box? Why has it got it's own little pole, when it could have been on the pole next to the signal? Why is it that side of the lines? There are two manually operated points into the goods yard on the opposite side ot the main lines, in fact the first photo must be taken standing next to the point lever. The second photo shows these two point levers. Wouldn't it make more sense for a shunter's phone to be on that side ot the tracks? Copyright Stan Roberts Collection / Peak Rail (used with permission) Copyright E R Morten (used with permission) Can anyone shed any light on this? Thanks very much, Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Why have a lineside telephone within shouting distance of the signal box? In a stiff northern wind, such shouting might not get very far at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted July 30, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2014 The cupboard is not a telephone. It's the LMS standard cupboard for the relay end of a track circuit. One side would contain the relay and the other the cells to power the TPR circuit back to the box. The bit of wooden trunking in front of it would contain the two wires going to the rails at the insulated joint. The fact that the line up to the signal is track circuited is shown by the diamond sign on the post which exempts the Fireman from carrying out Rule 55 if a train is detained at the signal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted July 30, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2014 In a stiff northern wind, such shouting might not get very far at all. No that's true, it was a bit facetious on my part. The same could be said if an engine was shunting the yard, you wouldn't hear a shout over the noise of that either It is very close to the box though. The cupboard is not a telephone. It's the LMS standard cupboard for the relay end of a track circuit. One side would contain the relay and the other the cells to power the TPR circuit back to the box. The bit of wooden trunking in front of it would contain the two wires going to the rails at the insulated joint. The fact that the line up to the signal is track circuited is shown by the diamond sign on the post which exempts the Fireman from carrying out Rule 55 if a train is detained at the signal. Ah, brilliant, thanks SE. that makes a lot more sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 The cupboard is not a telephone. It's the LMS standard cupboard for the relay end of a track circuit. One side would contain the relay and the other the cells to power the TPR circuit back to the box. The bit of wooden trunking in front of it would contain the two wires going to the rails at the insulated joint. The fact that the line up to the signal is track circuited is shown by the diamond sign on the post which exempts the Fireman from carrying out Rule 55 if a train is detained at the signal. Never through of a track circuit being indicated through a pole route but before the days of lineside cable runs I suppose it must have! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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