18B Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Hi, Doing a little reading and was reading about Derby Etches Park shedding it's none IC jobs as it moved towards becoming "Midland Mainline" upon Privatisation. The excellent "Derby Trainman" book gave a fantastic account of how the depot lost it's freight job e.g. Denby's (they went to Toton men) and its DMU turns (I think they went to Nottingham Men), but putting dates to these things is tricky. Would anyone happen to know about Sheffield, Nottingham, Buxton and Toton depots and how they were changed in the run up to Privatisation. Nottingham used to have freight jobs to Calverton, Cotgrave etc, but ultimately became Central Trains, would anyone know the details of how/when this happened. The same with Sheffield, that I imagine became Northen? But does anyone know what turns they had before it became Northern? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Not sure on dates but Saltley lost its XC work to BNS. In reality the XC men remained the same but simply had their signing on point moved. I suspect the separation of the 'links' and respective duties occurred early in the Sectorisation moves by BR as profit centres and allocation / tracking of actual costs began. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted August 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 26, 2014 I suspect the separation of the 'links' and respective duties occurred early in the Sectorisation moves by BR as profit centres and allocation / tracking of actual costs began. It varied from Region to Region. On the Western I think we were very much the front runners in concentrating freight and departmental (engineers') trains onto particular depots or to depots (e.g. Old Oak Common) were it was almost feasible to create freight links - which at OOC came in after sectorisation when we took out all the freight & departmental work and moved it to a newly established TLF depot at Acton. The Southern was a bit slower and we had quite a job getting odd freight turns out of some depots and transferring it to the WR freight depots c.1990 but by 1992 they had completed their changes. I'm not so sure about the ER and ScR but the LMR was a major laggard with mixed depots continuing after 1992 (when sector management came in) and taking a while to get change in although I think it was completed by 1993. There were definitely some major savings to be made after sectorisation when we could very clearly analyse our costs against the work which was performed. I took £1 million (in round numbers) out of my budget in 1993 by totally shedding bought-in 'services' which were carried out by other sectors (mainly on the former SR, I'd already got rid of most bought-in stuff on the WR when we set up in 1992) and putting additional posts into my own teams which suggested to me that we had been paying for quite a lot of someone else's work! Tackling 'old Spanish practices' in respect of traincrew diagrams at a particular depot then followed (somewhat to their disgust) which saved even more money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
18B Posted August 27, 2014 Author Share Posted August 27, 2014 Thank you for the replies, what were the "old spanish practices"? I'll probably know what you mean......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I don't believe there was a depot in Nottingham (as opposed to Toton) between the end of steam and privatisation. The depot west of Nottingham station went in the 60s, Colwick about the same time with all locomotive work concentrated at Toton. DMUs were based in Birmingham, Derby and Lincoln with the latter closing on Sprinterisation and the local second-generation fleet all being based at Derby or Birmingham. Although there were sidings at Eastcroft throughout, the depot was opened by Central Trains presumably to allow the local units to be transferred from Etches Park. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
18B Posted August 28, 2014 Author Share Posted August 28, 2014 I don't believe there was a depot in Nottingham (as opposed to Toton) between the end of steam and privatisation. The depot west of Nottingham station went in the 60s, Colwick about the same time with all locomotive work concentrated at Toton. DMUs were based in Birmingham, Derby and Lincoln with the latter closing on Sprinterisation and the local second-generation fleet all being based at Derby or Birmingham. Although there were sidings at Eastcroft throughout, the depot was opened by Central Trains presumably to allow the local units to be transferred from Etches Park. There very much was and still is a depot at nottingham station, after steam, they worked the Nottingham St P trips, the Lean Valley Coal trains, and some oil trains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb900f Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 We didn't work freight trains at Sheffield unless you count the 08 at Deepcar. We worked passenger, parcels,paper trains and jocko's/pilots (Sheffield station north/south, Nunnery and Deepcar ). Tinsley was the freight depot. At Nottingham there was the carriage sdgs and fuelling point east of the station, but there was a signing on point in the large building adjacent to platform 1 and the the bay platform at the east end of the station. The main entrance was on Station street. Having googled it I think the building has been demolished. Back in the 80's I spent a new yrs eve there waiting to take a class 1 back to Sheffield, wasn't a happy bunny, neither was the wife. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
18B Posted August 28, 2014 Author Share Posted August 28, 2014 We didn't work freight trains at Sheffield unless you count the 08 at Deepcar. We worked passenger, parcels,paper trains and jocko's/pilots (Sheffield station north/south, Nunnery and Deepcar ). Tinsley was the freight depot. Pete Evening, thank you for those details, that's most interesting as to who actualyl worked those loco's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 There very much was and still is a depot at nottingham station, after steam, they worked the Nottingham St P trips, the Lean Valley Coal trains, and some oil trains. We didn't work freight trains at Sheffield unless you count the 08 at Deepcar. We worked passenger, parcels,paper trains and jocko's/pilots (Sheffield station north/south, Nunnery and Deepcar ). Tinsley was the freight depot. At Nottingham there was the carriage sdgs and fuelling point east of the station, but there was a signing on point in the large building adjacent to platform 1 and the the bay platform at the east end of the station. The main entrance was on Station street. Having googled it I think the building has been demolished. Back in the 80's I spent a new yrs eve there waiting to take a class 1 back to Sheffield, wasn't a happy bunny, neither was the wife. Pete Are we talking about the same facility here? I was thinking of a full-blown TMD but there may well have been a fuelling point and crew sign-on. If it's the building I'm thinking of, it was a parcels office (I think) then Regional Railways offices and is now a NHS surgery. The red brick one in the centre of this view (if it works): http://binged.it/1rCKdI9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
18B Posted August 28, 2014 Author Share Posted August 28, 2014 Are we talking about the same facility here? I was thinking of a full-blown TMD but there may well have been a fuelling point and crew sign-on. If it's the building I'm thinking of, it was a parcels office (I think) then Regional Railways offices and is now a NHS surgery. The red brick one in the centre of this view (if it works): http://binged.it/1rCKdI9 Nottingham retained traincrew facilites and fueling point after steam, they stabled quite a few diesels there in the 1970;s e.g. look at this litle lot, Saturday 9th June 1979 08045 08685 08741 20040 20044 20069 20070 20075 20076 20163 20169 20188 20198 25118 25303 31145 45125 47264 56044 56055 Note in particular the 20's and 56's, you;d think they ought to be at Toton? but they were there for the Lean Valley coal trains and the Cotgraves etc. that Red brick building (Forward House) wasn't the traincrew builing, latterly it was where Network Rail rostered the Signallers from and was a Signalling Managers offices (later LOM) amongst other things, before they moved out to go to the the EMCC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cb900f Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Hi Edwin, Yes thats the one. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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