RBAGE Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Hello All, Being from the North East, it is not unreasonable that I should base my model railway in that part of the country. However, Dapol having manufactured the most beautiful model I've seen, I had to have a Western. The problem is, how do I justify it on the ECML in County Durham. Does anyone have any information about their travels in this part of the country? I certainly never saw or heard of one when I was spotting in the late 60's to early 70's. Well, that's got to be a challenge. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 The furthest north any Western got on the ECML was 20th November 1976 when D1023 worked a railtour from Kings X to York and back... you could always use that as an excuse to run one. Then again it's your layout so you can run whatever you like... ;O) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Hi mate. Trust you're well Have you tried http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/ Cheers Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted August 31, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2014 Western Lady was on the NYMR in the late 70s - and, unless it went by road, it must have gone up the ECML to Northallerton at least! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 838rapid Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Think it's fair to assume it went by rail,as they seem very unpopular to move by road due to issues with the transmission,think it's to do with the Cardon Shaft and the angle when its being loaded and unloaded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 I thought it would be a long shot but I had to have one. I'm modelling the 60's so any specials or transfers to preserved lines would be an option then. I agree with Rugd1022 that it's my layout but I do try to keep things within the bounds of reason, with some modellers licences. I'll just have to stretch it a bit. The model is not yet named and numbers so if someone does come up with something that ended up in Newcastle by accident, that's when I'll have a christening party. As I said at the start of this thread, I never saw one this far north, I had to go all the way to Old Oak Common to see my first, in about 1970. I was at Laira in 1973 when they were starting to line up for withdrawal and was able to climb all over and inside them. My normal spotting diet were Deltics but I do like a Western. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy1692 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 im sure i read somewhere a western did get to leeds once on a service train by some fluke/ error on a cross country service Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy1692 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 http://www.westernloco.com/westernranger/ ahh ha knew one got leeds by fluke but also ran a tour to newcastle. hope this helps Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted August 31, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2014 D1013 made it to Leeds in 1977 Fluke or error???? Hmmm! Deliberate train crew/loco issues aided and abetted by control perhaps? You might think that but I couldn't possibly comment! From the WLA web site http://www.westernloco.com/westernranger/index.html 20th January 1977: hauled the 07.30 Swansea to Leeds throughout, as the booked locomotive had failed at Swansea prior to departure. Western Region men worked the service with an Eastern Region conductor. The locomotive returned on the 14.43 Leeds to Plymouth, which she again worked throughout. D1025 also made it to York on a train of cars in the 60s IIRC but nothing I know of on a service train north of that I am afraid Cheers Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted August 31, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2014 http://www.westernloco.com/westernranger/ ahh ha knew one got leeds by fluke but also ran a tour to newcastle. hope this helps Afraid 1013 came off at BNS on the Newcastle train Have a look at Six Bells Junction for that date http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/ Of course there is always a parallel universe.... Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy1692 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Thanks Phil, thought it was too good to be true to answer the op so easily with just a quick google on my phone. Ranger must have turned a few heads in Leeds when it appeared! cheers james Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted August 31, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2014 Welcome! The OP can always apply the its my railway rule.....! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 Yes Phil, Looks like modellers licence will have to be stretched on Western days. bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy1692 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Best rule by far! (Typed whilst parking my class 13 up behind GT3 and a twin engined Hymek....) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted August 31, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2014 Its a question of degrees! We stretch them on Abbotswood too - never saw more that three in one day but we have D1011/3/5/46/48/67 on the roster! So plenty of railtours and conditional workings in addition to tankers, clayliners and 1M22/1V89 Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray M Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Thanks Phil, thought it was too good to be true to answer the op so easily with just a quick google on my phone. Ranger must have turned a few heads in Leeds when it appeared! cheers james I always remember my old mate ,being on the station that very day He told us that their was a western in Leeds, the other yesterday. We all just laughed, And said don`t talk wet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted August 31, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 31, 2014 Hee hee well the evidence was there... Guess we all had moments like that when we spotted, my mates never believed I saw D4 at Stourbridge Junction.... Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy1692 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Ahh how i wish i was around then, i know of a few other odd workings round Leeds/Harrogate but would love to be able to say i saw them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Western at Leeds, you'd have been chucked off the platform for claiming that, spotting was a harsh world back then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy1692 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 what about a 6 car blue pullman set at Leeds then? iv heard a tale one was trialled fir the Yorkshire Pullman late in their existance, anybody ever heard that? im sure iv read it somewhere, model rail?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 838rapid Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Well,I finally found it.. D1048 was towed from Swindon Works on the 6th October 1978 by 31123 via Stroud-Gloucester-Lickey Bank - Birmingham-Derby-Chesterfield-Sheffield-York,the convoy remained at Thornaby overnight and proceeded to Grosmont the following day. Not sure this helps but at least we know it went via rail to get there originally.Information gathered from " The Class 52's A Tribute to the Western s,by David Burt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 Good job. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 The furthest north any Western got on the ECML was 20th November 1976 when D1023 worked a railtour from Kings X to York and back... you could always use that as an excuse to run one. Then again it's your layout so you can run whatever you like... ;O) That was Western Talisman, aye - 1023 got its dominos for that! Don't forget that 12th February '77 was Western Finale also taking 1023 to York - I was waiting to see it at New St, it appeared decorated with offal after its cow-strike at Charfield. Damage evident here: http://www.jboon.fsnet.co.uk/westerns/images/13361b.jpg PS: Still my favourite loco class ever! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted September 1, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 1, 2014 what about a 6 car blue pullman set at Leeds then? iv heard a tale one was trialled fir the Yorkshire Pullman late in their existance, anybody ever heard that? im sure iv read it somewhere, model rail?? This one? http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/60s/680309fs.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted September 1, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 1, 2014 That was Western Talisman, aye - 1023 got its dominos for that! Don't forget that 12th February '77 was Western Finale also taking 1023 to York - I was waiting to see it at New St, it appeared decorated with offal after its cow-strike at Charfield. Damage evident here: http://www.jboon.fsnet.co.uk/westerns/images/13361b.jpg PS: Still my favourite loco class ever! Oh yes - and I was in the milling hordes at York for that one. Dashed back that night to Worcester then down to Swindon the next day to travel on the Western Requiem Relief behind D1010 Have to agree with Chard - see the cover of Strathwood's "Chasing the Westerns" for the reason why. Cheers Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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