RMweb Premium MJI Posted September 4, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2014 Not obvious by the pictures but a B set coach I bought to repaint into BR livery is a wreck. No bogies (was in description but not clear) 2 vents missing Cracked truss rod (I can repair that) So I may as well do a decent job on it. So what do I need please?Thanks Martin Will be in a 1960s condition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Collett 7' bogies. Normal shell vents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6892 Oakhill Grange Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Hi Martin Warning that the MJT short later ones (item 2944) are much smaller than the airfix originals. Not sure about other the other brands. One potential way around this is if the you have an autocoach and are lucky you may be able to press the vents out from below and then use them to repair your b-set coach and then use the MJT on the autocoach keeping an appearance of consistency. On one of my b-sets I got lucky in that the one remaining vent (the coach is a wreck) pushed out and may be used on an autocoach that requires one for repair. The other 8 stubs would not push out. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Collett 7' bogies. Normal shell vents.Depends on whether you want to represent E140 or E145. E140s built in 1930-1 had 7' bogies, E145 built in 1933 had 9' bogies. ...Will be in a 1960s condition. According to Russell, E140s were condemned in March 1962 and E145s in December. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Depends on whether you want to represent E140 or E145. E140s built in 1930-1 had 7' bogies, E145 built in 1933 had 9' bogies. Indeed, Nick, and my first reply was a bit terse, but it's a bit difficult to know how much the OP wants to know. Tim Venton's B-set page is always a useful first port of call for anyone wanting to know more about the deficiencies of the Airfix offering (which is now quite old, and in dire need of a revamp). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted September 5, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 5, 2014 I have some white metal 9 foot Collett bogies, originally for my Siphon G, so may do E145, but then I still need the other coach Thanks Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted September 5, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 5, 2014 Bachmann do 9ft Collett bogies as spares. The earlier version (of the model) with a different mounting is still available from Replica. You will need to re-position the mounting holes, otherwise the bogies protrude beyond the coach ends. I'm at that very stage with my E145 conversion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David C Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't several of the D145 coaches run singly with normal buffers at both ends? Quite a few branches used them as one coach trains - I believe Kingsbridge and Cardigan were examples. David C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 You may be thinking of E147s. Confusingly, some of these were permanently coupled while others were able to run singly. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David C Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Just checked the article on B sets in the Summer 1992 Cornish special edition of GWRJ, which states that "apparently" some of the 1933 batch to dia 145 were built as singletons. Whether GWRJ is correct or not is another matter - but at least I know I'm still in the early stages of dementia, not late stage as yet!!!!!! David C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David C Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Had another look at the film of the Cardigan branch in the BBC Railway Roundabout series from 1958. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqyol9Ms6Do. If you look at the last 30 seconds, you'll see a 16xx arriving at Crymmych Arms with what appears to be a single dia 145 coach in tow. It could be a brake 3rd as there doesn't appear to be any indication of the solitary 1st class compartment, but most of the film is rather sooty. It has the same number of compartments as a brake compo (in which case, GWRJ is right!), but also has 2 windows in the end of the guards compartment. This bit of film is only just over 2 and 1/2 minutes and is well worth a look. Incidentally, can anyone identify the first van behind the 45xx in the goods train as it leaves Cardigan? From the roof profile, I suspect it may be an LNER vehicle. David C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Second attempt at a reply ... If the coach in the film has two windows in the brake end it is not an E145 brake composite but a D109 brake second. Both have six passenger compartments but those of the D109 are equally spaced. It should be possible with a few careful saw cuts to make a D109 from the E140 body and I have plans to do so. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37079 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 David C, I think the first van of the freight is an ex-Southern Railway Banana Van (dia. 1478). Not sure how it ended up in deepest South Wales! Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 It's in the drawer marked 'courage awaited'. Sorry! Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lofty1966 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Not obvious by the pictures but a B set coach I bought to repaint into BR livery is a wreck. No bogies (was in description but not clear) 2 vents missing Cracked truss rod (I can repair that) So I may as well do a decent job on it. So what do I need please? Thanks Martin Will be in a 1960s condition. If you want a pair of original Airfix 7ft Bogies, PM me your address and for the cost of the postage (I live in Ont Canada) I can send you a set which are sat around gathering dust. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6892 Oakhill Grange Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Having seen 81Cs post on 15/09, I was tempted to get out the razor saw and chop up an Airfix B-Set. 3 cuts, some filler and plastic strip and I would have a D109. One cut on either side of the first class compartment window and shorten the body. Then cut between the guards window and the passenger section door and extend to maintain the length. This will mess up the roof rib spacing in the brake end. Two ribs will have to be removed and replaced and I am not sure what with. Removing all the ribs and replacing them does not appeal. Any ideas? Oakhill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnarcher Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Just checked the article on B sets in the Summer 1992 Cornish special edition of GWRJ, which states that "apparently" some of the 1933 batch to dia 145 were built as singletons. Whether GWRJ is correct or not is another matter - but at least I know I'm still in the early stages of dementia, not late stage as yet!!!!!! David C Does anyone know if this was the case with the single E147's too - ie were they built to run singly, and thus were used like that in the later 30's when new? I just ask because the pictures I have seen of them single all seem to be post-WW2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted September 23, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 23, 2015 If you want a pair of original Airfix 7ft Bogies, PM me your address and for the cost of the postage (I live in Ont Canada) I can send you a set which are sat around gathering dust. I am interested thanks, how much is postage about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lofty1966 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I am interested thanks, how much is postage about? OOOOOO eck ! Now yer asking. I will go and find the bogies (do you want them wheeled or are you going to put replacement metal ones in )? Pop them in a jiffy bag and get the weight and let you know approx cost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lofty1966 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 OK . Does not make a scrap of difference with or without wheels , cost to you sir , is a fiver for airmail or 4 quid for surface snailmail. I apologise on behalf of the rip off that is Canada Post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted September 24, 2015 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted September 24, 2015 OK . Does not make a scrap of difference with or without wheels , cost to you sir , is a fiver for airmail or 4 quid for surface snailmail. I apologise on behalf of the rip off that is Canada Post. PM me paypal address Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Does anyone know if this was the case with the single E147's too - ie were they built to run singly, and thus were used like that in the later 30's when new? I just ask because the pictures I have seen of them single all seem to be post-WW2. IIRC the lot lists in the GWR carriage book give E 147 as built as singles, but not the earlier diagrams. I'll dig it out and check (see EDIT). Must do my Airfix B-Sets (4 of them! All GWR but to end up as two GWR and 2 BR, one each E140 and E145*). The first attempt at BR livery was a disaster (Humbrol enamel - it has to come off so I can do the job properly with Vallejo acrylic - Humbrol reds never seem to work properly - either too thick and cruddy or too thin and wishy-washy to cover, or is it just me?) There is also a pair of K's E116s, but they are a long story......... *Possibly an unlikely combination, but rule 1 applies. EDIT. The 'bible' confirms one lot of E147 in 1936 as having some single ended. The K's kit is E116 - there does not appear to be an E123. Incidentally, I believe the Airfix coaches are incorrect in having the 'shirt button' . as built before 1934 they would have had the 'coat of arms' then current and as secondary stock (branch/suburban) are unlikely to have been repainted before 1942, though it is possible some received it in the late thirties/early forties? The ventilators used to be available as a spare, but I'm not sure if this is still the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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