TTRAK_Andrew Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 G'day Folks, I have had a fair of experience using water-slide decals/transfer from U.S.A. manufacturers such as Walthers & MicroScale and I am now thinking about using some Modelmaster decals on some repaints of old Hornby/Triang wagons. The Modelmaster description of the decals includes the phrase: "a removable varnish covercoat". Can anyone fill me in what this actually referring to? Also, given this 'covercoat', is there any particular method in applying Modelmaster decals compared to the usual "soak, lift, and slide" of Microscale etc.? Thanks in advance, Andrew G. BLOG: http://ttrakandrew.wordpress.com/PHOTOS: https://www.flickr.c...s/85896932@N07/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I don't know what exactly he calls it, but there's a very glossy sheet over the top of the decals, which can on less than high gloss surfaces leave a halo round the transfers. Once the transfers have properly dried this can be pulled off to leave just the lettering (not for the fainthearted) or, I have found, will also dissolve in white spirit and so can be gently rubbed off once soft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 The problem with this is that in my experience it doesn't work all the time, and its quite easy to pull the lettering or numbers off as well! The suggestion above of dissolving the film sounds a good one, although the transfers will still have to be quite well stuck or presumably they float away. John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTRAK_Andrew Posted September 29, 2014 Author Share Posted September 29, 2014 Thanks for the replies gents. This leads me to ask if Fox or Railtec transfers would be a better proposition? Thanks in advance, Andrew G. BLOG: http://ttrakandrew.wordpress.com/PHOTOS: https://www.flickr.c...s/85896932@N07/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 29, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 29, 2014 Some Modelmaster transfers, for example the pre TOPS wagon numbers already on a black panel, can have the "varnish coat" peeled off whilst they are still on the sheet. Be careful with them though as individual numbers/logos etc are held together by the top coating, so check the transfer composition carefully. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Model Master are my first choice. If applied to a gloss coat and after given a coat of your preferred finish, mine is Testor's Dulcote, I fine the carrier is invisible. Edit: Also I always use Microscale Micro Sol and Micro Set when applying any transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted September 29, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 29, 2014 Hi all, I've had experience of both things happening with Modelmaster decals... Sometimes the 'removable varnish' layer will not go away - sometimes it does with a bit of hard work. Sometimes it comes off with Decal Soft and Decal Set but it's unpredictable. I'm not sure if this is batch dependent or not. Certainly the best results are after applying them over a high gloss finish, then giving the model a coat of satin or matt varnish as a finishing coat. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted September 29, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 29, 2014 Had you thought of using Methfix transfers such as the HMRS range? There is then no problem with a glossy top layer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Hi I have been using there transfers for some time now, and had a bit of a hit and miss with pealing off the clear film. Now I use Micro sol on them when I fix them in place, using this make s the transfer look like it is painted on the model and the film disappears with a little bit of varnish over the top. Here a few 16 tonners that I did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Hi I have been using there transfers for some time now, and had a bit of a hit and miss with pealing off the clear film. Now I use Micro sol on them when I fix them in place, using this make s the transfer look like it is painted on the model and the film disappears with a little bit of varnish over the top. Here a few 16 tonners that I did. Darren, nice wagons, especially the one with the cupboard doors, Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 That white stripe on the lh wagon is the wrong way round, surely? Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted September 30, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2014 That white stripe on the lh wagon is the wrong way round, surely? Stewart Hi all, I'm sure that there were mineral wagons in real life with the stripe on the wrong end. I'm sure also I remember this being written up in some articles in Model Railway News in the 70's - may have been Martin Waters? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Hi all, I'm sure that there were mineral wagons in real life with the stripe on the wrong end. I'm sure also I remember this being written up in some articles in Model Railway News in the 70's - may have been Martin Waters? Thanks Hi You are right about that, as this model was copied from a photo i have of one like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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