rob D2 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Anybody else get this ? I'm not talking some obscure 100 year old , narrow gauge line in Patagonia .... I've returned to the idea of a chiltern / Oxfordshire layout based in the very early 90s, the stock list is projected something like this... Locos Cl 37 RFd MOD trains - not available, respray or modification of 37/4 Cl 47 RFd MoD trains - not available in original RFd , respray or maybe vi trains Rex version 2nd hand Cl 37/0 dutch - not available until sound version next year, original release occasionally on eBay Cl 47/3 dutch - respray maybe Cl 56 RFd bin trains, stone trains AVAILAble ! Cl 115 dmu not available even as kit ? Cl 47 NSE , occasionally available on eBay Stock is not so bad as I can do the stone trains, mod trains and fertiliser trains, and I think the bin train bits can be bought as kits, but the lack of anything else makes it a non starter. I'm not afraid to do the odd renumber, but the sheer quantity of work required would be too much I think I can't be alone ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
great central Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Back in the mid 80s, we decided to build a layout based on the Woodhead route, complete with EM1s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 That's what they used to call railway modelling, back in the 60's. Scratch building articles abounded in all the magazines. I remember making a passable LMS passenger parcels van cutting out windows with an Xacto knife from printed cardboard sides. I wish I still had my models from then. Some of the most satisfying items are the ones that took the most work, and the least detail and individual, non RTR finish. You have far more resources today, to do exactly what you want. Just turn your viewpoint around. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Trust you to pick the hard ones! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 That's what they used to call railway modelling, back in the 60's. ... and the 1980's!!! When Hornby & Lima etc offered diesels in either Green or Blue ('cos that's pretty much all the liveries there had been up to then ) well repainting, renumbering, superdetailing were par for the course... it was all part of the fun, and you ended up with unique models, instead of exactly the same as everyone else's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted October 22, 2014 Author Share Posted October 22, 2014 I knew this would come down to " man up and do some modelling " type thing. Like I said , that's not an issue, it's the quantity that puts me off.... And these were very common locos in the early 90s.....especially RFd 37s/47s. It would be like saying today you can't get any EWS 66s or a GWR branchline without pannier tanks available. At the end of the day , it's just toy trains, but it's frustrating having your next big idea a non starter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I knew this would come down to " man up and do some modelling " type thing. Like I said , that's not an issue, it's the quantity that puts me off... All the base locos are available as decent models, it's just the DMU that's to build. You could operate with 'leased' incorrectly liveried traction as interim cover for whatever has to be found or repainted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 It isn't a question of whether or not you should "man up". It is simply a matter of deciding whether you choose to model a particular period/location irrespective of what is available off the shelf, or you choose a location/period based upon what is readily available. For some modellers, readily available usually means a kit or the items required to help create a "scratch built" item. So the opportunity to choose time/place is much wider. If you are constrained by time, budget and skills, then you limited to largely what is already available RTR, repainted or second hand, which may force your decision in a different direction. Or you can create the location and and the period through appropriate infrastructure and scenery, then just "suspend disbelief" a bit more by using the closest available locos and stock. It would probably be a more appropriate depiction of a real railway in miniature than many people achieve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'm not quite sure of the point that the OP is trying to make, is this regarded as a popular period so such liveries should be readily available off the shelf, or is that inadvertently the downfall because customers have been asking for something different....? I can empathise to a point because it seems the only way to guarantee an item is to pre-order or just happen to be in the right model shop at some point during the week between it being delivered and selling out. Then again, I've scratchbuilt extinct stock from just a handful of photos, which should make the current project of repainting a Bachmann 44 tonner seem easy-except the only photo I have shows the position of the nose stripes, but not the sides.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickL2008 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 With the class 115, youd simply need a Lima 117, theyre readily availiable on the second hand market, and Ebay always has one in some shape or form, its just a case of adding the extra car, and modifying the duplicate DMBS that Lima incorrectly moulded.Ive had this problem to an extent as well, where ive had to abandon projects which when I think back were a bit "too advanced" or invovled with my skills, even despite them continuously improving, I guess when its down to it, youve got to ask yourself: "are you prepared to do what you want and need for this layout idea?"NL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKPR Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 As a modeller of obscure pre-grouping railways, what is this R-T-R and Bachmann of which so many here speak ?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitfire2865 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 As a modeller of obscure pre-grouping railways, what is this R-T-R and Bachmann of which so many here speak ?! For a pregrouping modeler, any knowledge of LNWR wagon bits? Axleboxes, buffers, maybe some kits? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted October 23, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2014 Not sure if it helps, but my memory of the early 90s is of a fair amount the locos still in blue, I wouldn't assume all would be in the railfreight/Dutch liveries mentioned in the OP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Difference is that model trains today dont actually need chopping up to look halfway ok, and they aint cheap like what Lima was, so some people may not feel as free to stick sharp things in em.....I know i dont......Yes I agree the detail level these days is fantastic - I'd say Lima et al didn't seem all that cheap at the time!! - but nice as the detail is, surely that's also partly responsible for people's reluctance these days to do the other bits such as renumbering, that were part & parcel of the whole package back then. I'm as bad as anyone else for not wanting to mess with expensive models - even more so now I'm in O Scale!! But if I really want a model in a particular livery that isn't available off the shelf, I do eventually knuckle down to it. Back to the OP, concerned about the quantity of work to be done - well that's the nature of building a layout isn't it? If we listed all the tasks & all the stock required, & importantly the cost of it all, right at tbe outset, I'm sure we'd all feel a bit daunted!! Take it a bit at a time - there's no rush unless you've a Show deadline to meet, & stock can be built up gradually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 For a pregrouping modeler, any knowledge of LNWR wagon bits? Axleboxes, buffers, maybe some kits? ABS for bits, Mousa Models, David Geen, London Road Models, Ratio (sold as LMS) for wagon kits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitfire2865 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 ABS for bits, Mousa Models, David Geen, London Road Models, Ratio (sold as LMS) for wagon kits. Does ABS have an email? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Does ABS have an email? Have you looked? If not, I recommend the following resource for supplier details, http://www.clag.org.uk/russ/supplier.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I knew this would come down to " man up and do some modelling " type thing. Like I said , that's not an issue, it's the quantity that puts me off.... And these were very common locos in the early 90s.....especially RFd 37s/47s. It would be like saying today you can't get any EWS 66s or a GWR branchline without pannier tanks available. At the end of the day , it's just toy trains, but it's frustrating having your next big idea a non starter Sorry for the late reply, but I wasn't suggesting going back to 1940's hand craftsmanship. It's rather that there are now so many more powerful tools, technologies and services out there, in the digital age, many of which are cheaper to acquire, or subcontract to, than the handful of sound fitted locomotives that you are wanting would cost. Home designed CAD to Etch, CAD to 3D printing, CAD to CNC Milling, CAD to Colour Printer, taken toegther, will make almost anything, without any personal craft skill or whatsoever. And of course, anything made can be exactly replicated in unlimited quantities. Andy I personally now make everything in do in a manufacturable form, because I too usually need reasonable quantities, either for myself, or for the P:87 SIG and Accu-trak group members. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitfire2865 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Have you looked? If not, I recommend the following resource for supplier details, http://www.clag.org.uk/russ/supplier.html Yes I did look. And they do not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Cram Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Yes I did look. And they do not. You could always try PMing him on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitfire2865 Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 You could always try PMing him on here. Hes on here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Yes I did look. And they do not. The site I referred to includes both a postal address and a telephone number, surely one of those will do if Adrian Swain prefers not to publish an email address? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Hes on here? Check out any/every Dapol O Scale Thread on here... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted October 25, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2014 115 kit bash from 3 Lima power cars and 3 Lima centre cars Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Steve Purves Posted October 28, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 28, 2014 Now I wonder if there is a chicken/egg at work. A lot of people model the trasition era for a number of reasons, is one of those reasons the availablility of stock? Do people have a willingness to model what I believe to be a pretty starved era but choose not to due to the lack of availability - the Post BR blue/Pre privatisiastion. Lots of colours, lots of variety, small trains, block trains, units and loco hauled... but not a lot availabkle RTR. The models are out there but not nessecarily available or in production? I have just backdated my N gauge collection to the year 1992 and this is what is suitable and built to modern standards - Class 08 - produced in blue and triple grey. not currently available Class 20, produced in blue RF Red stripe due next year. Class 27 - produced in coal sector and red strip but not currently available Class 31, old style produced in dutch, regional railways and blue, never produced in triple grey or intercity. not currently available Class 33, not currently available - Dapol version due Janunever Class 37, New style produced in Dutch and Coal, not currently available. more versions imminent HST - produced in intercity swallow, not currently available, due feb next year Class 47 - produced in parcels livery, not currently available. more versions due late next year Class 50 - not currently available - Dapol version due end of octember Class 56 - triple grey various sectors available Class 58 - triple grey various sectors available Class 59 - anybodys guess Class 60 - Triple grey available Coaching stock not available at all, Mk1's Mk2's in IC or RR liveries Class 150 available in RR livery Class 153 produced in RR livery, not currently available Class 156 produced in provincial livery, a bit too early for 1992, not currently available Various wagons are available... hit and miss to get a rake together... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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