mikesndbs Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Hi guys I am looking for information about number 115 used on and named Hayling Island. Need to do a write up for my dad's model of this little fellow. Would love actual photos, tractive effort etc. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 PM sent containing extracts from the RCTS book on Brighton locomotives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgundy Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Mike I am not sure that there is much to add if Nick has already provided the extract from Bradley. However, is there a rationale for the shade of green that you have used? Best wishes Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share Posted October 27, 2014 Mike Good to put a face to a name at the AGM on Saturday! I am not sure that there is much to add if Nick has already provided the extract from Bradley. However, is there a rationale for the shade of green that you have used? Best wishes Eric Hi Eric The loco came about after dad researched into it deeply some years back. We have some coaches to go with it also. Sadly dad's memory is poor just now but I am slowly getting info from him about it. Lovely little things to be sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 Hi guys Thanks very much for the info and inputs it's been really great to discuss this. Wonder if this little engine should have it's own board here? I think I have gathered all the info I need about her now and am in the process of making a short video about her. Dad called last night and has started to recall some more about it as a life long Hayling Billy fan this is quite a star loco to him. Judging by his collection of locos, I think it was his ambition to have all 50 Terriers LOL one of them will feature in the video also. Thanks again, you guys rock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 Chaps, the more I look into this loco the more confusing things get LOL. Dad remembers that the loco was used by the contractor who built the line a Mr Fredrick Furness? But he can't recall where he found this out. This would add a significant chunk of info to the locos life. I would also love some more photos but can only find the one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I think your dad's memory might be at fault, if Bradley has got his fact right. He says: This (Hayling Island) branch line had been worked by the Brighton since 1st January, 1872, although previously Frederick Furness, the railway contractor, had operated the services with a motley collection of second hand and much rebuilt engines and rolling stock. Hayling Island, the loco, was transferred there in 1874, having been employed on the Kemptown branch before then and suitably named. Here Bradley may be confusing things, as the Terrier Kemptown appeared in 1874, hence the need to rename the Sharp Stewart loco. Another, similar Sharp Stewart 2-4-0 loco, more normally referred to as Bishopstone, was also transferred to HI in May 1878, and was given the more suitable name Fratton. (Incidentally this loco is believed to have ended up on the Weston Clevedon and Portishead Railway) A rebuilt Jones and Potts 0-4-2 tank No 115 was loaned to Mr. Furness in October, 1868 for use on the Hayling Island Railway, while that gentleman’s own locomotive was under repair at Brighton Works, but was in service again with the LBSC by 15th December, 1868 at Groombridge. Apart from that, Bradley doesn't mention any other locos on the branch until the Terriers took over the services. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 Aha! I see the issue, the loaned 115 and 115 the HI loco, that is where the confusion about being used by the contractor has come from. I have spoken with dad who's condition seems good today and he agrees that's most likely where he got that story from! It does upset me to see someone with such attention to detail suffering like he does at times but that's Alzheimer's for you. OK, So I feel confidant about that. Next is the livery. Dad went for green with red lining as this is how the first SS was delivered and then we are told that No 96 appeared looking the same. While one might have expected Stroudley to have re painted 115 in improved engine green (LOL) it does not say that anywhere. Looking at the one photo I can't tell either. So, what are your thoughts about that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I hadn't noticed the unfortunate coincidence that the earlier loaned loco and HI shared the same number (115) as HI is generally thought of as carrying one of its later guises, 359 and 499, or by its original number 96. The photo of HI at Hayling Island shows it definitely in IEG - the slight contrast in colour of the inside and outside of the panels, the shape of the lining at the corners and the lining on the bufferbeam all point to that. In addition, the JN Maskelyne drawing shows it in IEG. This doesn't preclude it having carried Goods green whilst being named in an earlier incarnation, but until the E1 tanks appeared, I believe the only loco that carried a name when painted green was "Wave" one of the Manning Wardle tanks at Newhaven, and that was only briefly following some major repair work, and there is no guarantee that the name was actually re-applied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Hi Nick OK thanks, I think with such long history it can be argued either way re colour. Looks like dad based it on the description of the first one having been in green and then this one looking the same. No matter. I think I can do the write up for him now and make my little video. He loves to see his locos on his TV when I visit Again, thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted November 1, 2014 Author Share Posted November 1, 2014 Hi everyone, well here is my video about dad's loco, I have tried to pull all the history together and present it for a world audience. Hope I have not made too much of a pigs ear of it LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Another, similar Sharp Stewart 2-4-0 loco, more normally referred to as Bishopstone, was also transferred to HI in May 1878, and was given the more suitable name Fratton. (Incidentally this loco is believed to have ended up on the Weston Clevedon and Portishead Railway) There was a Sharp Stewart 2-4-0T on the WC&PR of much the same design but it came from the GWR where it was number 1384. They in turn obtained it with the Watlington & Princes Risborough Railway in 1883. It was SS works no 2578 of February 1876. It was loaned by the GWR to the Lambourn Valley Railway and also worked on the Culm Valley and Wrington Vale branches before being sold in 1911 to the Bute Works Supply Co from whence it found its way to the WC&PR. It was scrapped in 1937 still carrying its typical SS wrap over cab – so rather different in appearance to the LBSCR locos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted November 2, 2014 Author Share Posted November 2, 2014 There was a Sharp Stewart 2-4-0T on the WC&PR of much the same design but it came from the GWR where it was number 1384. They in turn obtained it with the Watlington & Princes Risborough Railway in 1883. It was SS works no 2578 of February 1876. It was loaned by the GWR to the Lambourn Valley Railway and also worked on the Culm Valley and Wrington Vale branches before being sold in 1911 to the Bute Works Supply Co from whence it found its way to the WC&PR. It was scrapped in 1937 still carrying its typical SS wrap over cab – so rather different in appearance to the LBSCR locos. Thanks for that, how sad non of these seemed to survive! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 According to portisheadweb.org.uk the WC&PR did buy Fratton/Bishopstone from the scrap dealer the Brighton sold it to, and it ran there from 1903 to 1906, when it may have carried the name Portishead and was involved in a fatal accident. The website does have a photo of it, which may be helpful for modellers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 That's interesting, and I sit corrected. The loco seems to have totally escaped the eye of Kidner (surprising) and Scott Morgan. So much for relying on secondary sources! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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