Chubber Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I'm a numpty when it comes to what ran where and when, but one of my few childhood memories (apart from being pushed up a chimney with a brush...) was a trip in the very early 50s to Hayling Island from Petersfield or Liss. I remember somwhere (on this trip?) gate carriages, a long wooden viaduct, being sick with excitement and getting tar on new shoes. (This hasn't changed in 60-plus years...the tar I mean, one blob on a 5 mile beach and I will sit/stand in it). I'm rarely sick with excitement these days having survived both fire at sea and a ski-lift gondola ride in the company of Michelle Pfiefer (I can't look at a grand piano without certain twinges, even at my age..) Any ways, is there a combination of Kernow's 02 and gate carriages that could have been in service the day I got tar on my new Clarkes sandals? Doug Aged 65 and three-quarters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted November 8, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2014 I'm a numpty when it comes to what ran where and when, but one of my few childhood memories (apart from being pushed up a chimney with a brush...) was a trip in the very early 50s to Hayling Island from Petersfield or Liss. I remember somwhere (on this trip?) gate carriages, a long wooden viaduct, being sick with excitement and getting tar on new shoes. (This hasn't changed in 60-plus years...the tar I mean, one blob on a 5 mile beach and I will sit/stand in it). I'm rarely sick with excitement these days having survived both fire at sea and a ski-lift gondola ride in the company of Michelle Pfiefer (I can't look at a grand piano without certain twinges, even at my age..) Any ways, is there a combination of Kernow's 02 and gate carriages that could have been in service the day I got tar on my new Clarkes sandals? Doug Aged 65 and three-quarters. I'm 66 next week, so commiserations! This is not the easiest of queries, but trying to plough through the ton of detail in Mike King's Southern Pull-Push Stock book suggests they didn't get to see Hayling Island, and certainly not in our era. Tantalisingly, set 374 was at Lee-on-Solent in the early '30s, and then moved to Guildford, working various services to Farnham, Ascot and Bordon until the juice arrived and 2-BILs took over. By the '50s, these sets had all been sent west (as distinct from gone west!) with sightings in Cornwall, Devon and Dorset - apart from Bisley. As for the O2, well, I am not at all sure they were used to Hayling either. Terriers and other Brighton relics were more likely, I think. Other members may fill the gap here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted November 8, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2014 Pretty sure the O2s were too heavy to go over the bridge at Langstone, hence the exclusive use of Terriers. Cue someone coming up with a photo to prove that one wrong.......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Lee Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Pretty sure the O2s were too heavy to go over the bridge at Langstone, hence the exclusive use of Terriers. Cue someone coming up with a photo to prove that one wrong.......... I believe that you are correct. 'Branch Line to Hayling including the Isle of Wight Train Ferry' by Vic Mitchell and Keith Smith in association with Alan Bell, ISBN 0906520126, Middleton Press, states that: "Their diminutiveness was due to the weight restriction of the bridge, limiting it to carrying nothing heavier than the Terrier class locomotives of 28 tons 5 cwt." There are a lot of pictures in the book dating from the 19th century to 1963 (when the line closed). None of the pictures show O2s. The only non-Terrier locomotives are early ones, mainly 0-4-2Ts and 2-4-0Ts that were replaced by the Terriers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 I don't think the Hayling line ever used pull-push operation, although that wouldn't preclude the use of gate-stock in normal use. However I haven't seen any photos of them on the branch, just regular stock that changed slowly over the years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubber Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 Gentlemen, Thank you for your thoughts on my behalf, I am grateful. I shall just go ahead with my planned Inglenook 48" x 20" board [The Bear's End Humbug Mine] and try and discover some reason to buy an O2 and some gate coaches. You have mentioned Bordon, [ian], my mother was a librarian at Bordon Military Camp Library at the relevant time...Now I wonder? Wundrin.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted November 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 9, 2014 Yehbutyehbutyehbutyehbut.....rule one, the only one that matters! Somewhere, somewhen, somehow there really is a prototype for everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Quite possibly the OP was remembering the ex-SECR railmotor-converted articulated stock (sets 513/14); one of the pair (513) appeared on the Hayling Island branch in the early 50s. There is a picture, dated 18 June 1952, of it on p59 of "The Southern Way" Issue 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted November 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 9, 2014 Quite possibly the OP was remembering the ex-SECR railmotor-converted articulated stock (sets 513/14); one of the pair (513) appeared on the Hayling Island branch in the early 50s. There is a picture, dated 18 June 1952, of it on p59 of "The Southern Way" Issue 1. The OP must have been born in early 1949, and Mike King confirms that sets 513/4 were whisked away from balmy Hayling to the West London Line by 1952. Perhaps his memory is that good? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Gentlemen, Thank you for your thoughts on my behalf, I am grateful. I shall just go ahead with my planned Inglenook 48" x 20" board [The Bear's End Humbug Mine] and try and discover some reason to buy an O2 and some gate coaches. You have mentioned Bordon, [ian], my mother was a librarian at Bordon Military Camp Library at the relevant time...Now I wonder? Wundrin.. Could the Humbug mine company have bought a set before they were scrapped, for internal use conveying the miners to or from the mine shafts? You might need to weather the set and make it look 'tired' (to say the least ... a good challenge for your modelling skills). Edit: I am assuming humbug mines have shafts! Or are the humbugs found just below the surface, like Cornish clotted cream or strawberry jam (Goodies fans will know what I am talking about, others will just think I'm completely off my rocker!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The OP must have been born in early 1949, and Mike King confirms that sets 513/4 were whisked away from balmy Hayling to the West London Line by 1952. Perhaps his memory is that good? He did say 'Early 50s'... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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